Realization

[Teri Jean]

April I thought the same about having FFS but in talking with a couple surgeons I found I did not need any as my features were quite neutral. After my GRS I continued my recovery and within a months time my friends who had been with me in CA seen me for the first time and they were struck with the overall facial changes. I am glad I waited.

[Kaitlyn Michele]

pythos you have always on this and cd forum had this thing about wanting people to accept your dress and appearance as "normal"...this is totally cool with me and acceptable..but it's not going to happen

i also think you need to accept that especially for transsexuals the need is different..

a ts that is percieved as male because of a strong jaw, a downturned nose, flat cheeks, etcetc...we have razor stubble and crappy hairlines, we have big hands, we are shaped differently unless we are very lucky and the biggie??? we usually have prominent brows (this is by far the biggie, and it's the breakthrough that makes ffs so effective) is instantly hit with a different quality of life than a transsexual..
what you are wanting in the world is not going to happen in any conceivable time frame..

my ffs gave me a big nose, a less square jaw and in all honesty lovely eyes that people instantly read me as a woman..i'm 6'2 as well... i would be "forced" to live as transsexual if i didn't have ffs... this is not acceptable to me, and it would harm my quality of life...my kids would not be as comfortable going out with me...i would not be approached by women or men that relate to me as a woman...this is a huge part of transsexuality..allowing the expression of your true gender IN INTERACTIONS with other people..

there are ts women that disagree with me..they are trans and out as trans..frankly i think they are missing out on something wonderful...

so yes it would be nice if the world was as you wish, and yes lots of women have masculine features (btw i left out voice...if your face is undeniably female, you get a huge latitude on your voice), but gg women are almost always read as women because the overwhelming amount of features that signal their femaleness..

teri jean, i have always liked your avatar as so natural ...there are a number of us blessed with the softness and features of gg's...just like lots of women have very masculine features..

and btw.. the right doctor and the right attitude of the ffs patient almost always results in a very natural look...you just have be careful and diligent..i turned down procedures offered to me because i felt they wouldn't help me..

[Rianna Humble]

i would not be approached by women or men that relate to me as a woman...this is a huge part of transsexuality..allowing the expression of your true gender IN INTERACTIONS with other people..

there are ts women that disagree with me..they are trans and out as trans..frankly i think they are missing out on something wonderful...

I am one of those who would have to disagree with you. I cannot afford FFS although I would almost certainly benefit from it if I could. Despite this, I already have people I have never met before coming up to me and interacting with me as a woman.

I am out as trans - it is difficult not to be after you have been outed in national "news"papers - but if you are suggesting that I am missing out on people considering me a woman because of this, then I can only say that my experience does not support your hypothesis.

[Pythos]

but it's not going to happen

Only if people keep thinking that way.

[Rianna Humble]

That's the attitude, Pythos. Only another 6,897,395,481 people to convince and you will have changed the way society considers this.

[Pythos]

That's the attitude, Pythos. Only another 6,897,395,481 people to convince and you will have changed the way society considers this.

Thanks Rianna for that veiled slap in the back of the head.

Here is an idea. ADAPT to the idea I present. Remember on this day in my country we celebrate the birth of a nation that was started from what many at the time before this date considered an impossible, and even tratorous idea.

For an idea to take hold, ANY idea to take hold in society, individuals MUST change some way of thinking. Instead of saying "it will never happen" think to yourself "with the right thinking IT WILL happen". Recall, there were people that thought Gay rights would never ever happen, and they stayed hidden away. Well look at what is happening now. Lots of struggle for sure, but IT DID HAPPEN and is still happening. Cding in many ways is ever so slowly coming into vouge.

But, this thread is about a person seeking advice on FFS, and when I look at the myriad examples of female faces out there, I see all manner of the spectrum, from "feminine" to "masculine", which in my personal opinion makes FFS fairly unecessary.

[Zenith]

There are gorgeous model GGs with brow bossing, or square jaws, or prominent chins, or large noses. It's not so much the individual features, but how they add up. Delicate features can offset the others. Is the balance tipped to male or female? We tend to be our worst critics focusing on all our male features. But really it's the sum total that determines if you get miss'ed or sir'ed. Strangers' reactions are your best gauge.

I agree that FFS tends to homogenize all desirable female features and while the result is gorgeous, in person/video it can look well...plastic. Look at Oustrhout patients...all their noses are the same. I think the best approach is to go to someone like Speigel and address a problem area or two, while keeping what makes you an original.

Now of course there are some gals who have been unfortunate as a TS in having very strong male features. For them full FFS is a Godsend, and a most drastic improvement in their day to day life as a TS.

Here is a great example...a gorgeous Penny's model I scanned. Very beautiful woman for sure. But Ousterhout would likely point out her brow bossing and tell her it needs to be fixed. What do you all think?

[Pythos]

She is beutiful. But yes on close examination she has prominent brows, as well as a noticeable nose. Who cares? She is very pleasing to the eyes. She also has a semi square jaw line, is that bad?...no bloody way.