Can you CD w/o being TG?

[kimdl93]

Does anyone else find it amusing that a non-CD male who stays home with the children, does the lion's share of the housework, goes grocery shopping, cries while watching old movies, prefers to let his wife drive when they go places, and doesn't hog the remote is not "crossing gender expression lines;" but another guy who is in every other way a stereotypical male, yet likes to put on a dress now and then to get off, is considered a gender rebel.

I'm not sure that challenging some traditional male role models or being considerate of others necessarily crossing a gender line.

[LeaP]

I'm not sure that challenging some traditional male role models or being considerate of others necessarily crossing a gender line.

Neither am I. That's the nature of norms, though. It's in virtually everyone's experience that participating in some things results in people viewing your masculinity differently and not so when participating in others. I'll say this, though: Just about everyone on the planet is *actutely* aware, to the minutest detail, of behaviors that would trigger the question.

Lea

[Sophie86]

I'm not sure that challenging some traditional male role models or being considerate of others necessarily crossing a gender line.

When it comes to gender, do you consider external presentation more important than internal modes of thinking?

[kimdl93]

When it comes to gender, do you consider external presentation more important than internal modes of thinking?

Do we really need to go around in this circle again, Sophie? Is a male who cares for children, lets someone else drive and cries at certain films really expressing feminine charactersitics. Or is he simply a good parent, who hates traffic and has a soft heart? Perhaps they are, if you assume all of those things are inherently feminine. But let me remind you that the OP wasn't whether men who defy stereotypes are TG, it was whether men who CD are necessarily TG. Your premise might make for another interesting thread.