Why is it ok if girls crossdress but guys cant? I just never did get that concept.
Why is it ok if girls crossdress but guys cant? I just never did get that concept.
BECAUSE......we are not trying to disguise our femininity and you ARE trying to disguise your masculinity.
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They are not "crossdressing" It's all in the intent. They don't dress to look like a man ,where M2F crossdressers do dress to look like a woman......
Check out this thread....."M2f plz,gg's dressing for the mall etc"
Steph
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Women are seen as sexual and for a man to be dressed as such he is read to be gay by other men. Women who are more or less accepting and will accept you more if you are reasonably dressed and not looking like a ****.
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There is definately a counterpoint:
I believe when a man dresses as a female, he is NOT trying to hide his masculinity, only discover and endulge his femininity.
When a woman dresses as a man, she IS definately trying to hide her
femininity! A woman definately is not trying to show off her beautiful breasts and clevage and long beautiful legs and perfect ass, when she's dressed like a man.
Please, I can't believe you said this Anne. I will agree that there is some truth to your first sentence. But I totally dissagree with your second paragraph.Originally Posted by annekathleen
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Despite all the Laws in the last 30 years or so it is still a Man's World. Women wearing jeans, trousers (pants) etc are perfectly acceptable as they do not offend the masculine paradigm . However a man in female clothing is seen as denying what to many is the "Natural Order of Things" and as a threat.
It is so ridiculous that a woman can wear a pair of "boy" style briefs and they are even marketed as such but a man wearing women's panties is laughed at by most men and many women too.
[SIZE="5"]Helen[/SIZE]
I've wondered that for years and posted a thread close to it sometime before. But it was closed because things got really bad. But I agree with you it seems it's perfectly ok for a GG to dress male but if a GM dresses female he's either gay or just weird. People who don't even know us pass judgement on us and that's wrong. If I see a guy drinking a beer and say he's an alcoholic because of it that's wrong of me to say. Same goes for a GM dressing fem he's not gay or weird just different and likes what he's doing. This world will never change and that's sad it should be no ones buisiness but ours as to what we do with our lives. People can't seem to mind their own buisiness and keep their rude comments to themselves. I mean how would they like it if I said just because a guy is mumling to himself that he's a mental case and needs therapy. It's the same as what they say about us. ttfn
Hugs and kisses Brenda
I agree, a man that cross dresses is embracing his fem side....to a point where the fem side might actually out weigh his masculinity, especially when the two may be subconsciously or not, pretty even to begin with.
But just because this is your desire or motive, please do not assume or mistake a woman is the thinking the same thing.
When I put on a pair of jeans, I don't stuff them.
I don't apply facial or body hair.
I don't bind my breasts.
I don't cut off my hair.
I don't wear men's under garments.
I don't try and disguise my own natural femininity.
I do applaud you Ladies for seeking yours....
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Jennaie, I respect your opinion.
You are entitled to agree with part of what I said, and you are
definately entitled to disagree with the other part of what I said.
All in all, we are all entitled to our opinions, and free to express them.
p.s. I still love you, too.
I don't deny my being feminine...but I made the choice for comfort and warmth. As far as my tush and upper body...it isn't perfect, it's pretty typical of a 50 plus woman, so why would I expect to 'appear sexy'? Better I'm covered up and comfortable.
This is an old arguement....Intent is the key,pure and simple.
We need to get over this Waaa it's not fair bs . And let's get over the "society doesn't accept up bs also. Society may never accept us as a whole...but we as individuals can make our own personal statement. All you need is the courage to get out there.
And if you have reasons for not being able to do it.... Don't
On the other hand. If I saw a gg dressed like a man, with a sock stuffed down the front of her jeans, and sporting a stache.....I might say... hmmmmm she's a crossdresser.
Steph
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I'm glad you feel the same as I do AnneKathleen. I hope you know that I love you too.Originally Posted by annekathleen
I suppose what I see when I am out and about is women who are dressed in jeans and shirts, whether they are t-shirts, or whatever. But these women are very attractive and very feminine. They are wearing makeup and are cetainly not "trying to hide their feminity", at least not the women I see out there.
I think perhaps it's just a matter of whats feminine to an individual, I personally find women in jeans very feminine and sexy.
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I agree 100% . I work around alot of female inmate who try to look like guys. And they hide anything make them look like a woman.Originally Posted by annekathleen
I tend to be a "gender bender" myself at times and challenge the "norms". I'm equally comfortable looking feminine and tomboyish. I even like going M T F T M sometimes just to be different. To me it's all about how you express who you are inside, your feelings at the time and your willingness to face whatever challenges come along with what you decide to do. That's just me but to me it's part of who I am to challenge "stereotypes" whatever they may be. Ericka
Unfortunately it's all about the social hierarchy within our society. When a woman dresses in a way that is percived to be towards the masculine it's not considered a problem because she's going up the scale. However, when a man dresses in a way that is percived to be towards the feminine it is a problem because (especially amongst other men) he's lowering himself because in their eyes dressing feminine is being less of a man, and being less of a man is considered a bad thing.
Now, obviously I'm generalising about the public at large, and not everyone thinks this way, but IMHO the only way we will ever be truely accepted is when women get a higher status in society than men. Why hasn't there ever been a female US President? Where's all the female military Generals? Am I making any sense here?
As far as women "hiding their femininity"....I don't get it, a woman still looks very womanly to me no matter what she's wearing....in fact, I think she looks her most "womanly" when naked
I'll get off my soap box now![]()
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Originally Posted by annekathleen
Please allow me to re-word this and see how it reads"
I believe when a woman dresses as a male, she NOT trying to hide her femininity, ony discover and endulge her masculinity.
When a man dresses as a woman, he IS definately trying to hide his his masculinity! A man definately is not trying to show off his bulging package, strong biceps, broad shoulders, and strong jaw bone when he is dressed like a woman.
I think this statement can be used on both sides of the fence. At least, thats how I read it.
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Well said, Jennaie . . . and you forgot "nice, flat chest".Originally Posted by Jennaie
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I don't dress to look like a women I only wear lingerie so does that make me a cross dresser r not?
I don't think that why or why not a man crossdresses has anything to do with the thread. The question boils down to .
Are gg's who dress in male, or male looking attire crossdressers?......period
And the answer is [SIZE="4"]NO![/SIZE]
Women can wear most anything they want because they slowly changed what society found acceptable for them.
There was a time when they had to wear ridiculous clothes.. and couldn't sit on a horse unless it was sidesaddle.
That didn't just change. They had to push for it. And prove themselves in a man's world.
As long as men who like to wear femme clothes stay in the closet and remain the oddity instead of the norm. The world will not see it as normal. And therefore acceptable.
Its not a matter of "if they can we should be able to". If at the same time as women were throwing out corsets, wearing pants against their husbands' objections, burning bras, and otherwise refusing to be paper dolls; men had jumped on that wave and started wearing skirts... Well things would be far different today.
Its not too late.
Love & Hugs
~Kitty~
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Love is honest
Love is not a hand that holds you down
~Tonic[/SIZE]
I think that that falls more along the lines of survival......totally different
Steph
Angel your gorgeous, what a great post. Not so sure about the naked bit tho, well not in my case anyhow tee hee. But then my partners quite happy with me so thats all I care about.Originally Posted by Angel Darling
BEVxxxx
Wouldn't that be like just being a little bit pregnant?
Yup ur a crossdresser.
just my opinion
Steph
It's definately never too late, Kitty. It's all about expressing yourself as a person, gender notwithstanding. Ericka