More good news on unisex toilets in NZ!
In the tourist town of Russell (Kororareka) the public toilets in the main square all have cubicle which open directly onto the square. Some are labelled Female; others Male; one is labelled Urinals, and the last is labelled Unisex.
At the campsite at the Houhara Heads, the ablution block had six unisex cubicles, all opening directly onto the lawn.
Way to go!
Originally Posted by Paula2
I don.t comunicate well. your freinds and family..you cannot comand.you earn love..if that makes sence???
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I have pooped and showered. men and women. some transex ..means nothing.just people
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Proud Union member. Back of my tombstone. My men saw me as a girl. nobody cared. respect and good leadership.. i don.t what to say. just be your self
in wisconsin you my use any bathroom
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Be yourself..Team leader for 20 yrs. they saw me dress like a girl. nobody cared. do a good job..soldiers love you
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Best Wishes, Paula
That's very good news indeed.
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I'm not completely sure about the precise legal position in the UK, although I believe it is currently fluid. Although I've not yet dressed as Anne in public and probably never will, my usual practice is to use a disabled or changing places toilet where possible. Recently I was put on some different diabetes medication and the nurse advised me to wipe whenever I go for a wee wee. If I've got to wipe, or at least been recommended to, it's easier to wee sitting down and I'd rather do that in.a place that's likelier to be cleaner and more spacious than a regular cubicle. Also if I've been diapered under my panties and need changing, it's easier to get changed in those facilities. I tend to push the envelope a bit when it comes to putting off loo visits (a habit learned from Auntie Anne of blessed memory) so accidents occasionally happen. I have to be diapered on long trips anyway.
I have been watching the YouTube feeds closely and I do feel somewhat concerned by the hate and vitriol towards trans people often expressed by female media presenters. Just read some of the comments and you will see what I mean.
So much of this has come about in my view by those who (unfortunately for them) look nothing like the gender they presume to emulate. More often they have a YouTube channel and are making content just to be relevant. Had these "activists" not been so intent on demanding they be called her, she or madam perhaps things may not have escalated to where we are now.
Just my own standards below.
I personally do not believe trans people should be entering in female sports. We are bigger, faster and stronger which is an unfair advantage.
I also would not use a women change room at a gym; as without a wig and makeup I still look a little masculine.
As for those who claim to be female and still have the male genitals, no way should they be in the female change areas. They may still be waiting on GRS but this is not a reason to be there.
This is respect and mindfulness on my part.
I do understand what the recognition by the courts means to women. In that a biological woman is a woman and trans folks are not.
I would never presume to call myself a transwoman but would rather describe myself as transgender or transexual. In fact I have often been told I am a woman by other GG's. Something which I do not acknowledge.
I do believe it is instilled in young girls to be wary of boys/men as they are presumed to be 'dangerous'.
This is a sad situation as most men are not like that at all. Far from it in reality, but the bad apples get everyone a bad name.
After a full transition I do regard myself as no longer posing a threat to any female and as such I should be able to use the female restrooms.
I think that I pass but I would be very embarrassed if challenged in a rest room.
How do we tell who is safe and who is not???
There have been instances where some predatory men have taken advantage of entering female space claiming they are women, but the majority of us just want to use the rest room as intended.
How do others here feel about the way society is treating us?
Philippa Jane
Philipa. I am in agreement with you on the sports and gym locker rooms not allowing trans people. I am also in agreement with you on bathrooms, the stalls are all private so what's the big deal?
Amy
Philipa,
We share something in common with other segments of society. We're a minority, a small one and as such we can be used for political ends to be demonize and in doing so create fractures in society. To set people against each other. Those of a more tolerant disposition Vs those who often wish to find someone to blame for their own life's troubles or the failures of government policy. It's a simple case of divide and rule.
It's a very rare thing for one of use who's ventured out into the wide world enfemme to report bad experiences. People in truth very much ignore us. However a toxic media can portray us in the most vile of lights. We'll all sexual predators seeking to do women harm while ignoring the millions of women attacked in their own homes every year.
I agree that common sense needs to prevail in the using locker rooms. We have para sports so Trans sports would seem to have a certain logic to it and the evidence seems to suggest that gender neutral toilets pose no threat to the safety of women. Where there's a will there's a way it just needs calm heads to prevail.
Who dares wears Get in, get out without being noticed
It's not a toxic media. It's toxic politicians and political parties. They can't pick on gays anymore so they have chosen another whipping boy.
As to restrooms, every female one I have been into has stalls and virtually all of the males have stalls. Everyone has privacy with a closed stall door.
As to Transpeople in sports, I believe absolutely they should be allowed, especially in schools. If schools believe that sports are good for the 99.9% of participants who do not become champions, then it is equally beneficial for those on the Trans spectrum to participate in sports. It allows them to make friends, learn new skills, gain confidence, and learn about team goals and camaraderie.
I'm a volunteer high school tennis coach, and I see the benefits of playing sports everyday, even though those I coach will never be state championship. It's the playing, not the winning, that matters.
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So, yesterday in London, UK, I visited the National Gallery and needed to visit the men's restroom. I was surprised to find only cubicles in it! And when I left, there was quite a queue to use them! Way to go!
Also, on Sunday the London Marathon takes place. The organisers have announced that trans women will be allowed to compete as women. Very sensible thing to do. Can you imagine the logistical nightmare of have to check the biological sex of each competitor at the start and finish? Not to mention that the women who are not dressed up as postboxes and the like, will be wearing running gear which looks just like that of the men who are competing!
I have been looking into this, its NOT against the current uk law to use a toilet in an establishment, men can go into the womens and vise versa, tje police will not be policing toilets in the uk, but its actually upto the establishment what is allowed on there premises, if Im dressed en femme and go into the ladies the people who own that ladies restroom can ask me to leave, but at this point Im comiting no crime, the crime starts when I refuse to actually leave the premises as requested, they then can call the police to have me removed. Also just to inform you in the forseable future I will be using disabled toilets where available, if not I shall blatantly be walking into the mens room and using a cubicle, and I think that will become the norm across the uk mens rest room, If I get assaulted I'll will just call the police as dressing as a woman is NOT a crime.
In Washington State there was recently (this month) an attempt to create an "open class" for competitive sports for any student to participate in, including trans-athletes, while maintaining separate categories for male and female. The motion did not get sufficient votes of the membership to pass. It was stated there are five transwomen competing in high school sports. Most of the current "dust-u" centers around the potential loss of federal funding if the school district does not comply with the federal "executive order." I've read the amount of high school kids competing as trans-athletes is minimal. In Utah it was stated there were four out of 84,000 high school kids of whom only one is a transwoman. In other states, Maine and a mid-west state, it is two or three. The big issue of concern for the women is the potential of not winning/placing when college scholarship are on the line.
One of the news pieces I watched in the past centered on a high school person, born as a male, had ran as a male, then ran as a transgirl, then reverted to running as a male again. Running as a transwoman, the athlete won.
Another instance concerned a transwoman at the collegiate level, who had previously swan two years prior as a man on a male swimming team, then swam as a transwoman and won an important race. The winning time among men would have placed the time in 700+ times.
Part of the discussion seems to center around, if and when the athlete had started/used puberty blockers. I am not going to weigh-in on the inherent differences in strength which seems to be the key issue for some. For others, it goes further than differences in strength.
As a side bar, years ago there was a high school state-wide wresting match in my city. There was one male team that did not have a wrestler in a middle weight class. In order to compete in that middle weight class, the coach had the boy who was under that middle weight class eat his way into just weighing enough to qualify. Of course, that "lightweight" boy was wiped off the mat by a boy who was on the top end of that class. In wresting and boxing there are weight classes based on physical attributes of the participants. Even if a "mixed" class, where all can compete, this issue of inherent strength and natural abilities is going to not go away.
I’ll be continuing to use the Ladies toilets. I’ve never once encountered any issues and hope this continues despite the current focus on the matter in the news at present. I’d feel ridiculous and vulnerable tottering into the Gents in a summer dress and full makeup!
It was good to get some new perspectives on things which are happening around our countries.
We are going to differ on some of the things that I have written but I think we're all friends here.
If I am understanding things correctly in the UK it seems that the women who have been at the forefront of the movement have felt vindicated that they are now being told that they are the only true women.
I have also been looking at some of the online reports that the five judges one of whom is known to be biased towards trans people They did not look at the Hansard report which has the minutes of the meetings where the politicians drafted the laws. It is also a fact that no transgender people were able to put forward an opposite point of view to the court.
I guess the bottom line at the moment from what one or two others have written is that there are already ways and means to get around the problem of which bathroom we use.
I have been surprised to see that there are already demonstrations happening here in Australia in light of what has happened within the court in the UK.
We are still protected here by law but that will not stop those bigoted people from attempting to follow in the footsteps of the British courts.
Thank you to all who have contributed.
Philippa Jane
I don't want to get into an argument but it's the press who act as the megaphone for those politicians influencing voters by spreading their misleading information.
I agree with mixed sport in schools. There was a program on TV here a few years ago which highlighted the way some teachers treat boys and girls differently. Pink coat hooks for girls, blue for boys. "Good work from that man", "Clever princess". They ran a sports day, these were 10 YO's and the girls out performed the boys much to the disgust of some of the boys. It's only once puberty starts to kick in that the boys tend to start out performing the girls physically.
I'm a ruby fan. It's not unusual to have players who are 18St+ of pure muscle. Those playing women's rugby are not exactly lightweights but given the physical nature of the game, tackles can be brutal, having a trans woman hitting a cis woman is inherently dangerous. Potentially life changing. Hence I think a blanket approach either way, allow, ban, isn't the way forward but some common sense needs to applied. Problem is, the debate has become toxic, a political football making rational decision all but impossible.
Who dares wears Get in, get out without being noticed
I saw a debate on the supreme court decision.
One woman explained that Transmen are now required to use the women's bathroom.
He promptly replied no the law states that men are not allowed.
When A woman explained to him a Transman had changed from female to male.
You could actually see his head explode in confusion. He had no idea and was struggling to speak as he did not understand.
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