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    Trying to find common ground and closure.

    This is from me writing an account about moving on.

    Tonight, I discovered the electrical kit I?d loaned her, left on my doorstep. No note.
    I texted her to say thank you and that I was sorry to have missed her.
    Her reply came simply: an apology for not returning it sooner.
    I asked myself?did she ring the doorbell? Or just drop it and walk away?
    She didn?t reply when I asked.
    To me, that silence feels like closure.
    A quiet goodbye.
    Even so, I still intended to ask for forgiveness?and perhaps a final act of kindness. She once mentioned needing help repairing a table. If she'll let me, I?ll do that.
    And then, another shift.
    I visited her home to drop off a few things?small gifts I?d picked up for her, now no longer needed by me.
    I rang the bell. Just as I turned to leave, she answered and invited me inside.
    But the person who opened the door wasn?t the Greek girl I remembered.
    She wore track pants, no makeup. The house was cold?no heating.
    Even on my worst days, I try not to look untidy. But that day, she looked... tired.
    Worn thin, defeated.

    The dining table was cluttered with her new computer and the scattered pages of her writing.
    A picture of a woman trying to hold everything together.
    Maybe that?s what we?re all doing in our own way.
    Just trying to hold on.

    Final Conversations

    We sat down, and I asked the question I had been circling for weeks: Are we done? I needed a clear answer?some finality.
    We talked it through. She repeated things she'd said before?words that still cut deeply. I asked her not to keep shredding me, and instead to see me as a whole person, to recognize my good points.
    I kept my voice quiet, my tone gentle, trying to soften the moment. I wasn?t asking her to make a decision right then. I only asked for the chance to prove I could simply be a friend.
    That I could let go of wanting more.
    She?s read my book but hasn?t understood that when I say I?ll do something?I mean it.

    I keep my word.

    Looking back, I believe we first connected because I was ?different.? She wanted a girlfriend, and I now understand I could never fully be that. Though she always said she saw me as a person, the idea of a ?girlfriend? still lingered. Eventually, she saw me as I am?someone presenting as female, but still shaped by a lifetime of being perceived as male.
    She never wanted a male friend?certainly not a partner.

    She told me she?s a ?fixer??someone who, in past relationships, took on others? problems and emotional weight. She?s tired of that. She saw me as another project. That explains her reaction when I said she wasn?t responsible for my wellbeing?it struck a nerve.
    But in our own ways, maybe we?re both fixers.
    I tried to support her, to be caring, attentive?and, yes, loving. But I sought to understand her in a way that came off clumsy, even invasive. She told me, ?Women don?t do that.? Yet many women I?ve known do.
    Go figure.

    During the conversation, I felt her retreat into resignation. Her replies turned mechanical, like she just wanted to get it over with.
    So I changed tack.
    I offered to do one last thing?help her repair the table. I told her I could cut the piece of wood she needed at my home and drop it back, no contact.
    At first, she refused, saying it would feel like using me.
    I disagreed?I was offering. No strings.
    We agreed to part for a while.
    I walked away with a weight lifted from my shoulders, not because we were back on track, but because I finally had closure.

    I was walking away for good.


    Philippa Jane

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    Platinum Member kimdl93's Avatar
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    It?s good that you had a conversation, difficult as it was.
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    Philippa Jane, From your last few post, I could really feel your pain. I am glad you found some closure.
    Please call me Jamie, I always_have crossdressed, I always will, "alwayshave".

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    Remember, "It's never over until it's over!"

    When u can look back at this and chuckle? THEN, it's over!
    U can't keep doing the same things over and over and expect to enjoy life to the max. When u try new things, even if they r out of your comfort zone, u may experience new excitement and growth that u never expected.

    Challenge yourself and pursue your passions! When your life clock runs out, you'll have few or NO REGRETS!

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    It sounds like your very content with that conversation and feeling a sense of closure. I would believe that would be step one of the healing process. I really don't know you or her and don't know how your relationship was but I can't believe how fast this all unfolded. I only wish you peace in your healing time and as always we are here to listen.

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    I assume you know that Elizabeth Kubler-Ross has described five stages in getting over grief.
    Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression, Acceptance.
    I'm not sure, from your story, exactly where you are in the process.
    One piece of advice - forgive yourself.

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    I felt your sadness coming through the words Philippa. Hope you're doing OK.
    Last edited by danniUK; 06-23-2025 at 06:22 PM.

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    Hope your life is good moving forward

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    Hi ladies.
    I have stayed away from this since my last post.
    What I found on my YouTube feed was a video on Avoidant behaviour.
    I have never looked for anything like this (it would never have entered my mind).
    I watched the video and found it really interesting with so many things pointing to her dealings with me.
    If she has this then I understand now how she retreated from me when I was getting too emotionally close.
    Their reaction is to shut down and push others away. I know her childhood was not the best.
    Every clip I have now seen I have reviewed the comments section. Everyone who has a story will tell the reader to RUN away as fast as possible.
    I am still in two minds what to do. What sort of friend runs away at the first sign of trouble? I will give her space but cut myself off from the emotional side to protect my feelings.

    My therapist has now taken control and wants me to see her each week for a while. That's OK with me as it is a reason to get out and about.
    Thank you all for the ongoing support.


    Philippa Jane

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    Hot Geezer Girl docrobbysherry's Avatar
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    Isn't this what u think she's doing? "---cut myself off from my emotional side----"! Good luck with that!

    I don't like your therapist's advice. I've had a few and they don't tell u to do things like that! I see bad news ahead, Philippa.
    And, reread my post above.
    U can't keep doing the same things over and over and expect to enjoy life to the max. When u try new things, even if they r out of your comfort zone, u may experience new excitement and growth that u never expected.

    Challenge yourself and pursue your passions! When your life clock runs out, you'll have few or NO REGRETS!

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    I hope things are settling down for you emotionally.

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    What sort of friend runs from trouble? A brand new friend. This is where you find out upfront how difficult that friendship will be. I have 2 friends with issues that I'll stick with forever. I knew them long before their issues came along. That's what a friend does. I know it felt like it was moving fast in your head. How long was it a week?Maybe two? If she has issues, it's probably a blessing to find out first. I'm sure that's not what you want to hear. It's an unbiased outside observation.

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    I kinda have to agree with Sherry on this one. I got the feeling like you really wanted a relationship, maybe more than the other party. As they say, it takes two to tango. Its not a tango if one of the two is not interested in dancing. The notion

    I question the point of seeing her each week. First of all, that should be her decision, not yours and certainly not your therapists. Sometimes letting go and moving on (though seemingly the hardest thing) is the best thing you can do for yourself.

    Finally, I would avoid trying to psychoanalyze anyone else. Its best to focus on ourselves.
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    Ah Kim, I think the wires are crossed here.
    I am not seeing the Greek girl at all. It is my therapist that wants to see me each week for now.
    I normally would tell her when I next wanted an appointment but since my heading towards self harm I have allowed her to call the shots.

    As to my wanting a relationship, yes I do. I never expected things to work out as they did. We all have to have some hope of a future.

    Sherry, the last thing I wrote on my original post was that I was walking away for good.
    I am getting much more used to this idea.
    She is not the one for me, it just took me some time to get there and understand this.

    One of the things I don't think I have written about is my circumstances here in Australia.
    I have no family here and no friends. I have acquaintance who will join me for a meal or coffee but not one single person who is constant in my life.
    Until you have no one you don't really understand the meaning of a friend in my situation.
    I am not looking for sympathy, this has been my reality from when I first moved to Australia with my wife.
    Her passing and then my transition added a new dimension to being truly on my own.


    Philippa Jane

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    Platinum Member kimdl93's Avatar
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    Yes, definitely got those wires crossed. As for seeing the therapist weekly, that i think is a good idea during a time when you have been struggling
    O wad some Pow'r the giftie gie us
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    As people age it is harder to make new friends. Might I suggest you put yourself out there and volunteer at charitable events that are dear to you.

    We have a woman here that is very out in public. I even met her for dinner one night. (We were both in drab). It is amazing what she does. You can do that too.

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