TG instead of TS

[Calliope]

I sure hope the term TS is replaced soon. It's a double-wham, really - trans isn't so bad but it does have a vaguely sci-i tone, y'know, future shock effect, magic show, mutation - then there's sexual which, alas, contains that 3-letter word which is totally polluted, a real button-pusher, instant porno. Language is a powerful stimulant and there's a good reason all the 'political correct' people from the 1980s went to battle there. TS just gets Archie & Edith thinking about 'what do they do in bed?' Speaking for myself, I sleep in bed!

[Theresa(TGirl)]

after reading this, it got me thinking about that too, at least transgendered really means what it can be broken in to, trans = transcends = surpasses (learned that in school, ha!), gender = male or female, -ed - commonly added to the end, to apply easier as a adjective, which if all of yall remember is a word that describes something,

so in the end, transgender = transcends (or surpasses) gender (or male/female) transexual is roughly the same thing (gender/sex), but the word sex has that awkward porn stigma like you said

[Lisa Golightly]

The day we win is the day when there is no trans- or cross- anything...

[tall_brianna]

I just don't understand why forms have a gender field on them. Does anyone except your doctor and lover need to know what genitalia you have?

[AmberTG]

Unfortunately, that's how all people are classified, to the hetro man, a woman is an object of sexual desire first and a person second. That's just the instinctive drive to reproduce showing through, not much anyone can do about that, it's a very powerful drive, basic to human survival. We try to rationalize it with civilization, but it's always there in the background. Personally, I think that's why hetro men tend to have more of a problem with TGs and CDs, it goes against the instinctive urge to mate. I also think that's why GGs tend to have less problems with TGs and CDs, it's not as much of a threat to that instinctive drive.
Of course, I could be entirely wrong about that also.
Amber

[Theresa(TGirl)]

i have heard a song called "We Shall Be Free" and in it there are two lines which are great, one about loving who we choose, and another about "when there's one race/and that's mankind". great song. great message, poetry set to music. love it. ok im ramblin' on right here.........

[CaptLex]

I have no problem being called a transsexual. If someone takes it out of context because of those three little letters, that's their problem, not mine. I also have no problem being called transgendered, a crossdresser, transman, transguy or even just the quick "trans". What I don't like is that some people think transgendered automatically means transsexual, but I blame the media for that. :rolleyes:

Amber, I've met men and women who have a problem with transgenderism and men and women who don't (of every age, background and orientation), so I can't generalize about that.

[Calliope]

Ultimately, I guess it's just personal word association. Trannie bugs me, T-girl is fine; transvestite works my nerves, crossdresser is cool - even though they are really the same. Could be worse - malgendered would be a curse for sure.

[GypsyKaren]

I say to each their own, not everyone is going to agree on everything. I have no problem with trannie, in fact I kinda like it. I just don't see what the big deal is.

Karen

[Scotty]

I just don't understand why forms have a gender field on them. Does anyone except your doctor and lover need to know what genitalia you have?

If it's a fill in the blank on "SEX:__________" Then I us ually answer "YES".

[Stlalice]

If it's a fill in the blank on "SEX:__________" Then I us ually answer "YES".

My response would be to fill it in with "NDBBM" - No one's Damn Bussiness But Mine - but then I've often had people claim I'm just a bit caustic at times.

[Clare]

[SIZE=3]I recently received a notice on labour employment conditions which outlines (amongst other items) anti-discriminatory clauses which covers all the usual items you would expect - except for gender orientation.

As a part quote from the text "... sex, sexual preference, ..." No mention of gender at all, let alone in regard to orientation such as transgender or transsexual and anything in between those two extremes.

So in theory, because gender is not a provision in the discrimination rulings, I could lose my employment if it was discovered I was TG by an employer!

I'm strongly thinking of writing to the Authority concerned to raise the topic of including "gender" as a legitimet consideration in anti-discrimination laws here in Australia.[/SIZE]

[CaptLex]

Clare,

My firm's anti-discrimination policy states "including, but not limited to" and then it goes on to list all the usual things: race, religion, age, sexual orientation, etc. I asked them to add "gender identity and expression" and they said they would think about it - but the "including, but no limited to" covers them in any case. They thought sexual orientation was the same thing as what I was asking, but I explained that they are two separate things and it is precisely because most people think they're the same (or at least related) that this issue gets swept under the rug. I'm not sure they'll do as I asked, but I thought it was worth a try. Good luck with yours.

[Kimberley]

I have to wonder why any document would even ask such a thing. After all, what difference does it make if:

You use a men's or ladies washroom as long as no one is offended. (I have been in crowded pubs and seen women invade the men's washrooms just because of the lineups.)

You can perform a job as required. (Who is to determine that sex has anything to do with it?) We have male sales clerks and female firefighters. BFD.

Your credit card is used to buy lingerie or fishing gear. (I know this could be construed as sexist but I am only using it to make a point.)

Your voting registry is going to be affected by your sex/gender.

I think this list could go on and on, but the point is made. The only one outside of your partner and yourself who needs to be concerned is your doctor. S/he is the only one who has the right to ask that question in my opinion. Any other use of this question can be considered as discrimination or have the capacity for discrimination.

Just a little :mad:

Kimberley.

[CaptLex]

I have to wonder why any document would even ask such a thing. . . . Any other use of this question can be considered as discrimination or have the capacity for discrimination.

I absolutely agree with you, Kimberley. And yet this question shows up everywhere and most people check one box or the other without bothering to question whether it's relevant, applicable or anyone's business. I say we all refuse to check the box from now on. :Angry3:

[Kimberley]

Here in the Great White North (that isnt) the Charter of Rights allows us to not answer any discriminatory question. It is illegal for an employer to ask on an application (so they demand resumes, Duhhh People are soooo dumb sometimes.) At any rate, there is always a workaround for these powers to be that is within the law.

Canadian privacy laws are extremely tight so it is less a direct issue than a secondary one. Regardless, it still exists and that is because people are dumb enough not to object; more accurately dont care. Being cisgendered just works but being trans causes strife for some ppl. Personally I dont care. I have left such things blank, checked off both, or put in a smart a*s answer. There are other things where I will do this too because it is no one's business but mine. Most people are either too embarassed to ask, consider it a mistake or some other thing so I have never been questioned.

Regardless, I just start a slow burn whenever I hear of discrimination, hate or other negative and hurtful things happening to someone. I know I am overly sensitive sometimes and it starts some strong emotions, but for good reason in my opinion.


Kimberley

[Ms. Donna]

I have to wonder why any document would even ask such a thing. After all, what difference does it make...

One short answer - in today's data driven world - is: demographics.

• Men are marketed to differently than women. Companies, websites, etc all want to know this information in order to better serve (profit from) their user base.
• Companies sell their mailing lists all the time. It's yet another source of revenue for them. Sex (gender) is a key piece of data and most lists would be all but useless without it.

Resistance is futile - you will be segregated...

Love & Stuff,
Donna

[janedoe311]

The term Gender is replacing sex.

At least in the US.

Just like in applications and forms you are asked your gender instead of sex now. Sex is being redefined as a verb ie “a thing to do” not gender.

So Transsexual is being replaced by Transgender to be politically correct. But some see the two terms as different and you will find different definitions of them.

My question:

If you feel you are in the wrong body but can do nothing about it, ie family income or age etc. Are you Transgendered or transsexual or what?

[rickie121x]

The term Gender is replacing sex.
My question:If you feel you are in the wrong body but can do nothing about it, ie family income or age etc. Are you Transgendered or transsexual or what?

Wow, those are really long words - and seeming to have significant meanings - changeable though they be.

I am just a cross dresser - which pretty much defines it without getting complicated.

Rickie

[CaptLex]

Transsexual is being replaced by Transgender to be politically correct.

Oh, Lord . . . I hope not. They're not the same thing. No wonder people are confused and misinformed.

[Siobhan Marie]

Oh, Lord . . . I hope not. They're not the same thing. No wonder people are confused and misinformed.

[SIZE="3"] with Capt Lex, they are not the same thing.

Anna Marie x[/SIZE]

[Scotty]

Ya know this is one PC term that I"m OK with......understanding what it is and all.

I see TS/TG the same way but some have said that TS is a sexual only, whereas TG is a transformation of genders.

Either way, people associate TransSexual with someone who dresses to get off - I've always seen it that way and people I've always known have expressed it that way.

And I forget who the actor is but he sang about it in The Rocky Horror picture flick, "I'm just a sexy Transexual from sexy translyvania" or something like that

Anyway, this state has a clause, or King County anyway against discrimination. Probably one of the BESt jobs I had where I could have come out was at a dot-com - LOVED IT. I wore whatever earrings I wanted and had no issues.

[MarieTS]

I don't mind transsexual at all. I use TG because I believe that is the proper label (don't ya hate labels?:Angry3: ) until one experiences a totally full time RLT and/or GRS. Do you all agree?
One of the other lady's doesn't like the term transvestite. Neither do I. For some reason that "ite" suffix has a harsher sound that to me sadly portrays the image of a vaudville freak, and I find that depressing.

[Sejd]

when my wife and I lived in Germany, many years ago, we lived in a very small town at the edge of the Mosel river. On the other side there was another very small town. People in our town always told us that it was a disgrace if a woman from their town got married to a woman from the other small towm accross the river. They just didn't trust those people.
I think all of our names really are an attempt to explain to each other who we are. As long as we don't know, there seems to be a fundamental human lack of trust. Strange, but probably going back thousand of years to the times when we had to completely rely on the pack we were running with. Putting outselves into boxes can indeed be a negative thing, but also positive. It tells others a little bit about who we are. Trans Gender - what a great expression. It sounds to me like, someone who wants to cross over to the other side of the river. Let's support that crossing.
huggs
Sejd

[CaptLex]

I don't mind transsexual at all. I use TG because I believe that is the proper label (don't ya hate labels?:Angry3: ) until one experiences a totally full time RLT and/or GRS. Do you all agree?

I'm not a fan of labels myself (who is, really?), but if we can't even agree what to call ourselves, how are other people going to get it straight? My point is that there is a difference between TS and TG - a transgendered person is not necessarily a transsexual, and if we use them interchangeably, an outsider will think they're the same thing and assume that all TGs are TS (as many already do). I don't think TG should be a substitute for TS. One more time for those in the back: they're different things.