Hell Bound

[ubokvt]

When god created us, (if you Believe that) he created us with out clothes. We, useing our free will, creathed clothes to cover our selves and then decided on what was male and female. You actualy belive god is so shallow as to judge us by our clothes and not by our acts my god think about it.

[annephorcy]

First off, as has already been mentioned, the Bible can be quite problematic when read as a body of absolute laws.

I can't quote the passages and I'm not particularly motivated to go look for them right now, but I've seen the text within the Bible where slaves are commanded to be obedient to their masters and a person who is caught blending two different fabrics in his or her clothing is to be summarily stoned to death.

Beyond that, I find it very irksome that someone who believes in an all-powerful Creator can turn around and believe that very same God can be bound by some human's scribblings in some book. "Gee, Ed. I'd love to forgive you for your actions. But it clearly says right here in Chapt. 18, Verse 23 that I have no choice but to damn you to Hell. Sorry about that."

Human judges - mere, imperfect mortals - routinely temper the Rule of Law with mercy and compassion. But apparently God, whom I truly believe to be the original author of both mercy and compassion, can't.

Last but hardly least: "Then the disciple asked Him, 'Master, which is the greatest law?' And Jesus answered; 'Love and serve God with all your mind, heart and soul. And the second greatest law is like unto the first. Treat your neighbor as you would want be treated yourself."

A noted Rabbinical scholar once quoted that (paraphrased) passage as the entire substance of the Bible, "... everything else being mere commentary."

Now, if someone can tell me how crossdressing violates the spirit of those two 'greatest laws', then I might entertain the notion that it's conduct that one could be damned for engaging in.

[Kimkandy]

Well I don't now but don't Catholic priests wear dresses...

Kim

[KarenSusan]

OK, my viewpoint on this is simply put; fashions change. What we consider feminine style 2,000 years ago was worn by men. The only men who had trousers were the howling barbarians up in the Scythian neck of the woods.
Romans even the simple poor folks wore tunic style clothing. This continued pretty much up through the 1300's.
That we wear clothing blended of linen and wool is breaking one of those commandments in the Pentateuch. Sooooo guess what I don't think too awfully much of the dress rules. Its so much a minor thing in life.
Now, murdering people, killing children, causing major death in cities, poisoning lives with lies....yeah that is major. I think it's a reality check, do we worry about God being angry over the socks we wore....or that person we basically left emotionally destroyed.
just me I guess.

When was the last time you saw a depiction of Jesus Christ wearing pants?

[Darlene Rochelle]

I am a Christian,although due to my work schedule,I rarely attend Church(work on Sundays). I do what I feel is right for me. Too many fundamentalists cannot think for themselves. I do not allow some preacher to intimidate me,or preach fear to me. I can think for myself,and live my life to the best of my ability,not by what someone else says I should do.

[Lisa Golightly]

Paradise Lost? The signature says it all.

[kathy gg]

If they let people like Jimmy Swaggert into heaven...sign me up for hell....

[Blonde]

IMHO about the bible's passage about dressing as the opposite sex, "It means it" as you have the intent to cause harm to others by doing so.

All religions have a simular underlying theme. Do no harm. They might word it differant, but the same message is there.

We must be true to ourselves 1st, before we can be true to the "world".
Forgivness is more for yourself than for others, as I believe that not forgiving someone, poisions your own "soul".

[Sarah-Anne]

If religion says crossdressing is wrong, doesn't that tell you something fundamental about religion?

[bgirl]

Damn. How much dressing do you have to do to go to hell anyway? Can I do it till just before I go blind?

[Sierra Evon]

I my self concider my self to be a good Christian valued minded person and dressing as a girl , I have prayed and told the LORD of it many times , for me above all the Lord is my savior.......I'm strieght with the Lord as such....
I dont judge people anymore lest I myself be judged , I respect all other people's opions and belief's , but indeed a very heavy subject........Sierra

[Kimberley]

10 Commandments
Beatitudes....

Ummm nothing there about gender... This is about gender right?

Is this attitude the pronouncement of man or is it divine? I have very strong opinions on religion in all of this so I will leave it at this.


Kimberley

[klyde]

I always wonder about anyone who worships a god who would throw you for all eternity into a lake of fire because of the style of your underwear.

[Sarah-Anne]

I always wonder about anyone who worships a god who would throw you for all eternity into a lake of fire because of the style of your underwear.

I always wonder about anyone who worships a god.

[MarinaTwelve200]

Im a church going Christian and have no problems with Cding---I wouldnt go to Church dressed though, out of simple common sense, no more than coming to church naked.

There is really nothing wrong with CDing, as far as my knowledge of the Bible and theology goes. Of course, I'm a mainstream Methodist. you have troubles when you deal with "Fundie" (fundementalist) sects who base their dogma on "traditions" rather than actual scripture. If some old guy 300 years ago thought something was "sinful", then by golly, its sinful today, no matter how weak or "over interpreted" the scripture cited would have been.

Also you have what I call "screwball religions" who might beleive anything, but usally are based on a single line of scripture where where they are the only one doing it right and everybody else, who dosent belong to their sect, or even their church building is going to HELL. (Ya gotta kiss those rattlesnakes and have seven wives) And dont forget the "literalists" who fail to realize that the "Bible" is a translation---and might not mean exactly what it says in the english version.

To my experience those adults who dont believe in God were either raised with NO religion or had parents who belonged to a Fundie or screwball sect, that turned them off to it. They DONT KNOW what real Christianity is, so they are hardly in a position to judge. Everything they complain about--the intolerance, the dopey and dangerious beleifs, etc. are Fundie or screwball BS.

There is nothing wrong with good mainstream Churches. Most are tolerant, so long as you keep any 'disruptive" personal peculearities to your self. And the moral guidance is constructive and comforting.

[Melora]

Being a Wiccan and a huge advocate against the hypocracy of Christianity..
If I were to go to Hell.. I would be in VERY GOOD Company! Being with Great think-Tanks, As Well as with Many other other CDs, TGs, TS,s &DQ,s as well I AM SURE...
Just READ History and admitt, The Bible is missing A LOT OF PAGES..!
Melora

[Kate Simmons]

The basic premise of Deut.22:5 has to do with women putting on battle rainment to do war and a man posing as a woman to shirk his duty to do battle. It's thrown in between two scriptures as a side command really and has nothing to do with morality. In the nation of Isreal, each sex had it's own assigned duties to perform.Men were to defend the nation and women were in a supportive role. Ericka/Rich

[trannie T]

What do you think God cares about? How you live your life and treat others or what kind of clothing you wear?

[Jesse69]

I've actually had 2 dreams where God told me I had to quit crossdressing. But I tell God it's something I can't control. If I were to quit it would be very hard because I've accumulated a dream collection of beautiful clothes (especially over 70 skirt suits). So I would be looking for a wife who would fit my clothes. Britney Spears would be perfect as she's the same size and height as me ! 5' 4" and she's a size 6!

I wish I had my Bible with me to look this up. I'm a very good Christian and go to Mass every Sunday. Well, the most unusual thing I have ever done was ask God in the miracle baths at Lourdes to change me into a woman. I said this in my mind only but he helpers knew my wish! They called me gay.

[Kimmie W]

i find it impossible to believe that a loving God could/would condemn us for living as She/He created us. Sometimes I think we are the way we are to enable us to experience all of life's gifts. I would not change the way I am if I could, and I thank my God for that, no matter what religion.

[MarinaTwelve200]

I someone who CALLS themself a "Christian" gets on your case, ask him to back up his/her condemnation with SCRIPTURE---Odds are they cant do it. Just because someone feels uneasy about something does NOT mean its "sinful". As far as CD goes the best thing I can find "against" it are a few lines in the old testiment that condemn CDing, only if it is used to deceive for purposes of breaking the jewish law---like a woman trying to sneak into a temple with the men or a man trying to sneak into a woman's tent. Any thing else is merly third and fourth order INTERPRETATION of scripture which can be twisted to say anything.

ALSO remember what PAUL said about other Christian Religious sects. People in different places are gonna worship and honor God differently. The ONLY thing that really matters, in the christian Context, is "Christ Crucified". Its the ONLY thing they have to acknowledge. EVERYTHING ELSE is only those people's particular way of honoring GOD. We are susposed to respect their "odd" beleifs or ways of doing things, and THEY, on the other hand, are suposed to respect ours. (Its true---In Corinthians someplace)

That means any other Christian who criticizes your version of Christianity (other than the Christ crucified part) is NOT acting "Christian" and is against the teachings of PAUL. No one is gonna go to hell for listening to the "wrong" music or using the "wrong" technique for Babtisim. Etc.

[noname]

I would love to hear from any Christians who dress regularly, how they handle this thought and if any one agress with me.

Thanks girls for allowing me the space for such a "heavy" subject, but with lots of fodder for thought.

Marcie

Good post. In fact initially I had asked myself the same type of questions. Could I go to hell for not wearing traditional mens clothing? After much thought I came to the conclusion that it would be unlikely. Here was my reasoning.

As I've mentioned many times, pre 1960's ( give or take ) pants were a "mens only item". There are still churches today that teach a women wearing pants will go to hell. Being 98% of women wear pants, does that mean every single one of them is going to hell? I find that unlikely. So would I got to hell for wearing womens jeans or pants?

I feel the only time it would really be an issue, is if the dressing was done for some deceptive wrong intentions. I doubt anyone here is dressing to be hurtful to anyone.

I asks this, what does God have a bigger problem with?

1: a guy wearing a skirt because he likes the garment?
2: the lady thinking the guy is a pervert while she is wearing a skirt?

From what I've read, it seems God talks more about hypocrisy and judging than he does what people are wearing.

Just my two cents, and I could be 100% wrong.

[Jestina]

Oivay!!!

Such a thread!!!

Ok I will reveal a little more persoanl stuff...I guess.

I have read the Bible many times.
I have taught on it many times.

Not any more though...EVER.

My post secondary psychological studies were taken in a seminary school.
Meaning that my credentials may be tied to religious studies.
Ok they are ok?

I have one thing to say about this, according to the deepest meaning of scriptures that pertain to anything remotely to do with salvation,
You don't go to hell for dressing in womens clothes.
Or for a lot of other things, you go to hell for rejecting God's greatest free gift of salvation. According to the strictest definition anyway.

Sooo and I also agree with whoever said
"If you are truly not a Christian then it doesn't matter at all what God thinks"

This is something I tried for years to get Bible thumpers to realize.
What possible good is it to quote Bible verses to people who do not beleive in God or may in fact be Hindu or Buddist?

If you are in fact going to hell, then have a great time NOW. Make sure it is worth it.

Like they say:
"Don't do the crime if you can't do the eternity"
Or something like that.

Jestina.

[Scotty]

I said it before, God created us as he wanted us.

But that said lets look at the argument that the Catholic church presented when it was said that John the Baptist was Mary Magdallen.
THey claimed it was not and that JOhn was in fact very femme and possibly a cross-dresser/TG.

well I don't buy their argument personally but they kind of stuck their foot in their mouth or it's true - that Jesus did not care.

I honestly believe if we have a gene that makes us more female or femme, then it was meant to be that way.

Do you follow the ten commandments generally?

I believe dressing is the least of problems on this planet, Murder, lying, cheating, stealing all fall into a MAJOR sin category.

Life your life with honor, do not worry about the guilt that a group of MEN will lay on you. These MEN tend to be controlling and I believe it falls out of the way of what Jesus wanted in that it's not about controlling everyone to be there Sunday or controlling everyone to donate to the church - it's about worshipping Jesus and God........

That's my opinion......

[Kimkandy]

Damn. How much dressing do you have to do to go to hell anyway?

Not sure, but I guess you might want to try wearing a lot of red for when you get there... a nice red dress with matching red shoes.

Kim

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