why are we a threat?

[janedoe311]

Not quite! Actually Patriarchy is a relative latecomer to the world, not really getting a deathgrip on society till the Bronze Age. Previously Matriarchal based societies were the norm. And, really, don't you think that those who control those men (usually women) are really in control?:D

On Ronald Reagans mouth controled by his wife.

[Jennaie]

Could also be you're touching an nerve about their own unconscious ambivalence about being a girlie girl.

I agree completely. I think it is so much eaiser for person too find fault with others than it is to actually look inside and acknowlege that they are individuals as well.

[ubokvt]

There's a philosopher I really dislike, but he had one good one-liner, something to the effect of: people exact a heavy penalty on those who make them have to change their mind

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I Think Daytripper had it right. I've always been a little different ignoring the rules, being myself and been beaten soundly for it. Don Miguel Ruiz, in his book the Four Agrements" makes the point we all grow up making known and unknown agreetments with society on how we will live in that society. We may not like those agreements but we conform to live in a safe known society. Many of us know its not us and we do it anyways with some resentment. And then there are those, like yourself, that decide to live their lives differently and we really resnt them because they are living proof we could do it differntly, if we were stronger, if were wern't afraid, if we valued ourselve more. if we would really just look at ourselves and our lives consiously rather than just living the way we are told. You bring everything I'm doing into doubt and I don't want to face that so I will do anything to get you to conform so I don't have to face myself.

[Bridget]

Not quite! Actually Patriarchy is a relative latecomer to the world, not really getting a deathgrip on society till the Bronze Age. Previously Matriarchal based societies were the norm. And, really, don't you think that those who control those men (usually women) are really in control?:D

I think Jared Diamond's "Guns Germs and Steel" correlated a shift from fertility gods and farming to male gods and urban living, with the fall of matriarchy and the rise of patriarchy.

[Sheila]

I may be way of base here but I don't think that they see it as a threat to gender, but more that anybody doing something outside the "norm" actually causes each of us to look deep within ourselves and it may be that we do not like what we see ---------- we believe ourselves to be tolerant caring human beings but being faced with it (whatever it is) on a daily basis, makes some of us realise how intolerant we really are deep down -------- does that make any sort of weird sense ------ and so we don't feel good about ourselves and ergo the blame for that has to go to somebody else !!!!!!!!!

Jess

[Iniquity Blonde GG]

everybody is scarred of something in their lifes. wherever it be spiders, heights, confind spaces etc, people will always have fears. but.... c/d, m/f f/m when u try and explain it, to someone who see's it as werid, they just dont want to know. because they are SCARRED !
i know someone who is f/m, ( not personaly, or to be friends with ), but she brought her daughter to same nursery as my child. there were a couple of women talking, and someone else pointed out that she was a "lesbian". i was ashamed and embarrassed by their next action. they told their children to not stand near her, or talk to her. it was "disgusting" in their words. !! :Angry3:
next day i heard that one of them had approached this women who was f/m and said sorry, its my friend, i dont have a problem with u
ummmmmmmmm, like i say, scarred of what they dont know, and what "others" might think of them if they accpeted it.

[cheryl62]

Because since the dawn of time men controlled the world, Islam, Christianity - religions alike all have one thing in common - men are in control.

Men fear this change, men already dislike the rigor that feminist types have when they want something - (I'm not saying this is you, it's an example)
It's just something that will take time to change.


Only time will change it, and more of you coming out. Men have been coming out for years, only a handful of women in history have dressed up as men to do something heroic etc.

In time this will all change

A good point as a MTF men cannot understand why i would like to dress and look like in there eyes some sort of lesser being i dont think things will change very soon you only have to look around at most governments,large corporations etc to see men are still in control

[Felix]

Well said Jess I think ya got it spot on Hun xx Felix

[Sheila]

thanks Felix

Jess