This is total discrimination it does not matter weather the person is colored, white, disabled, gay, \cross dresser, TS, or green with red spots it is discrimination and i would remind my boss of that though i would put it a way that sounds like im doing him and the firm a favour saving them and him a lawsuit.
Spelling bad because the fairies make love on my keyboard.
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For whatever it's worth.... I would not get involved..... not my place or my business.:2c:
Everywhere I've ever worked they seemed to like it when people took an interest in the biz insteed of watching the clock and cashing the checks. Because first and formost the deal is about what is the best policy for the company in terms of making money.
I would have made the argument of "think how grateful this person would be for us giving her a job." My god, we could work her to death (Sorry, DT, the caplitalist pig in me). Think about it, if I would hire you like this I bet I could get twice, no... three times! the amount of work out of you that your current boss is getting, and for less money to boot.
As I said earlier, I have been wounded by this issue!
I did take a stand, it cost me thousands, no one helped me. I could not even find a layer to represent me. I proved my case to an employment attorney with the documents that were put in my employee file and emails. Yes they were that stupid about it! Only then did I get legal representation. Sure, the attorney was on my side as long as I paid his $400/hr. fee.
There was no one at work that offered to help. I could not get anyone interested a the ACLU because they felt that it was not a broad enough case that would be of interest to them. The human rights commission was interested but that was about it.
I fought this battle alone.
You and I lost because I was offered an amout to keep my mouth shut that made in attorny happy....that was really all he cared about from the beginning. He advised to take the money because he knew that I was out of money....what else could I do!
I did work for my states legislation! You can see the results of it on my earlier post....It was the result of many people not me that made it possible for this legislation to be passed.
Thanks to all that helped I know some of you are here!
Now I have said too much!
Ya, just let it go...do nothing it is a sane thing to do...
While others bleed to make a trail for you....."Have fun out there"!
Yeh, this topic is getting totally beat to death - good! It shows some conscience-wrestling methinks.
Think of how history has been made - and not been made - by the individual asking, Would I risk my job ? Come on! Every change for the better involved taking at least that risk - and many more.
We're not talking about the rights of pedophiles here, people, we're talking about us !
Sure, it might be easy to say, What does DT know about risking a job, she's just a housewife.
Hey, my SO (the big, bad breadwinner) doesn't want a marriage, all she wants is something resembling one - and every day I wear my skirts, earrings and makeup I am jeapordizing my livelihood.
My 'job' hangs by a thread !
Sure, I'm doing this for me, me, me - and because I'm out contributing even the least bit of something positive to the community in which I live, I'm indirectly helping all those in the closet.
Would I put it on the line for a fellow TG?
How could I refuse?
Well, if the person was not hired solely because they were a CD, there may be an issue here---just like with any other minority. But if a person is showing a propensity to exercise BAD JUDGEMENT in flaunting his status in a way that is not good for business or other company employees, thats another issue entirely.Originally Posted by stephanie100
This is total discrimination it does not matter weather the person is colored, white, disabled, gay, \cross dresser, TS, or green with red spots it is discrimination and i would remind my boss of that though i would put it a way that sounds like im doing him and the firm a favour saving them and him a lawsuit.
A parallel might be a handicapped man with one arm., If he is qualified, sure, he should be hired, but if he is also a bitter, ill-mannered lout, that litterally waves his stump in front of the noses of people and upsets them, then he is showing BAD enough Judgement to disqualify him-- disabled or not. The same could be said about any "Different" person who FLAUNTS his differences to the point of offending others. An obvious CD who INSISTS on looking like a fool in public MIGHT fit into this category. (either do it right or do it in private)
People have RIGHTS, but not PRIVILIDGES. fairness works both ways.
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"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)
and looking like a fool in public describes every boss I've ever had on the golf course - which all you management types know, is just an extension of the office by other means.
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That's the saddest thing I ever read.
This may sound funny coming from a confirmed cross dresser, although so far only in private, trying to get up the nerve to go out in public. But in this society to interview for a job you have to be prepared for the interview, and that means, dress, attitude and public acceptable appearance. Until society changes their opinion a person should not expect to get a job if they do not fit that profile. By that I mean you should dress for the job you are interviewing for. A white collar job you don't wear jeans, male or female. A construction job you don't wear a silk suit. I think you get what I mean. I don't think that person really wanted or expected to get the job if his/her appearance was out of the norm. That's life LOL.
Of course if I was the interviewer he would have gotten the job if he/she was qualified, but let's face it we are in the minority, and the majority rules which normally is how it should be.:2c:
Hugs and Kisses, Diana
It is still discrimination at least it would be in the UK dont know about the US. it is not the fact that someone was rejected for their looks but the fact the boss was overheard therefore someone else knows it is discrimination and could be called as a witness if it was found that person knew. but yes i dont adhere to any company code or policy I have one policy mine but then i work for a good boss me.
Spelling bad because the fairies make love on my keyboard.
Hey wait a minute now---Im not trying to start any thing. There is a DIFFERENCE between not being able to HELP oneself (thats sad) and someone who does it ON PURPOSE----
Thats the whole idea of rights and fairness---dont hold against a person something he has no control over. help him out if need be.
Giving someone a PRIVILIDGE that no one else has, on the other hand, that no one else could get away with, just because he may be different, is a political trick used to divide and exploit.
Last edited by MarinaTwelve200; 12-15-2006 at 06:53 PM.
Discrimination
My opinion would be that it is not your concern.I know you overheard the remark concerning the dress of the candidate but you do not have access to the information about other candidates.
There are many reasons why people get hired,but a lot of people get fired for the simple reason they overstepped their bounds.
I agree with Penny,leave it alone.:2c:
Good news on this topic...
After signifigant protest on behalf of myself and almost everyone else I work with (all of whom I am positive are not cders) management has decided to change their mind and offer this person a position with our company. From what I can gather they seem to think that if there is such an outpouring of support that this person will fit very well in the company.
Ultimately I guess I just couldnt keep my big mouth shut and to good effect I sort of rallied the troops and they fought for this brave person. Not to sound like I am taking any credit I want to fully credit this brave woman for standing up and saying this is what I am take it or leave it. I guess they had to take it...
Love like you've never been hurt,
work like you don't need the money,
and dance as if no one is watching.
Delila
Great news, Megan!With all that support I'm sure your new co-worker will feel very welcome.
You do realize that you will have to come out to her.
Keep us posted!
Robin
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Diagonally parked in a parallel universe
Alls well that ends well.
That`s great news.Kudos to you and everyone else who had the guts to get involved.Hope I would do the same for a sister.Love-Angela.PS You DO have to come out to her.
Last edited by Angela E.; 12-16-2006 at 08:29 AM. Reason: PS
Megan that sucks I'd try to tell her and let her do what she may
Angie
Good for you, good for your co-workers, good for you company. And shame, shame, shame on those who thought that it was somehow OK to turn your back, to look the other way, to put yourself first and formost always. Look up "Kitty Genovese" and tell me how far is your response in here, to what happened there.
And I hope you never need any help, or anyone to stand up for you - there is no ethical or moral grounds for you to ever request it.
Again, Merry Christmas to those who stood up and did the right thing. I hope your season, and your lives are blessed. The rest, a lump of coal.
A small group of thoughtful people could change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.
Margaret Mead
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Ask your supervisor; What do you mean by "we dont need them kind of people working here". Casually.
Wow - that's the best news I've heard since ... well, since ... sunshine and daisies, or something.
Megan, you've earned your right to walk tall, babe.
well done megan head up girl tall and proud
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I'm also glad that is has worked itself out. In this case no need for a lawsuit, and the company may end up as a better workplace.
It really shows what a few people speaking up and speaking out, can do! I think we all might learn something from this. It is important to make the effort, it is important to sometimes not take the easy way, and speak out.
I have read several historical commentary's that have put forth the idea that in the 1930's, a lot of people in the world knew what the Nazis' stood for, and they knew what Hitler would ultimately try to do. These historians believe that the Nazi's acted upon their plans to make a "final solution" of the Jews because they believed they had an "implicet approval". Since no one or no government spoke out for the Jews, no one made any effort to help them....The Nazi's figured that it was OK to try and annihalate them, no one cared.
Yes I know, this situation does not equate to The Holacost, not trying to imply that. My point is that we should be thinking of these same things when we are challanged to make some kind of a stand. No, you alone can't save the World with your actions, all you can save is part of yourself....the person in the mirror! However, often when we make an effort to save that person in the mirror, we do help others and in turn do change the world.
These are grave times, there seem to be challanges to our personal freedoms at every turn. Maybe it's time for all of us to start "speaking up", about TG issues, about our freedoms, about everything! It sure hasn't been working, doing it the other way.
Peace and Love, Joanie
yes i agree that it is wrong to discriminate due to what some one wants to wear but we all have to accept that if we want to work we have to toe the line.
now i am retired i dress the way i like and have no problem i go out as a guy in a skirt/dress any time i want and no one is bothered i dont try to pass as a real girl just a guy in a skirt just now and then i have to let some one new that i meet that i am not guy and not looking for a boyfriend.
whilst i would love for everone to be accepted for what they are i doubt it will ever happen in my life time as there are too few of us ready to go out dressed the way we want for us to be accepted.
when we are all ready to be counted then we will be accepted untill then we have to live by others rules.
regards susie paul
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retired to the caribean on my sail boat bear necessities in puerto rico
just wear what you like and like what you wear
I personnally don't think that It was a very good idea to go for the interview crossdressed. If this was a transgender, then it may be a differant situation all together for that person. There may have been a reason in her mind for dressing the way she did for the interview. Whatever the case, I have to say Kudo's to her for making he effort.
Sure there are laws to protect us and there are lawyers to help us. But discrimination still exist. Sure she could probably get a lawyer to work with her on this. But is that anyway to get a job. And anyway if the management is that pigheaded to not see the forest for the trees, then is that any place that she would really want to work anyway. She should keep looking and I am sure that she will find a place to work that is a much better fit for her.
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my sister's reply when I told her how I prefer to dress
"Everyone has there thing, all that matters is that you are happy, love what you do and who you do it with"
Megan, you apparantly carry some clout at your work, and you apparantly work with people who despite their own fears will do the right thing! That you chose to work in such a place says a lot about your own good character. I hope the new girl works out, and my wondering mind is thinking about what impact she might have on you . . .
Megan, your thread has had its corollary at my own office this past two weeks. We had a bru-ha-ha over a junior level six month pregnant woman that a senior ranking employee was lobbying to get canned. Nevada is a right to fire state (euphemistically called right to hire), the Federal anti pregnancy discrimation act doesn't apply to us because we are so small, and there is no legal impediment. Her preganancy was medically troubled and if she was termed she'd have no health insurance (surprise! small employers often can't offer COBRA rights as the insurers don't offer it to them because its not legally required). If termed she'd likely be financially ruined by future medical bills.
Before the boss actually had to decide, another junior co-worker who was appalled that the senior ranking employee would try to get a preganant woman fired, narc'd on the senior employee telling about the senior's chronic drug use, despite knowing everyone would wonder how they knew about it. Recreational drug use is not allowed in the senior's pay grade, and the boss was required to confront the senior employee and request a drug test. The senior employee walked rather than deal with the drug test!
At first I thought it was a case of "karma," or "what goes around comes around," or "people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones."
But because of your story, I've rethought it. And I see it is also about people setting aside their fears and finding a way to do the right thing.
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