There are a LOT of Crossdressers out there !

[Kelly DeWinter]

I attended a meeting recently where a Psychologist specializing in GID (Gender Identity Disorder) spoke on the current information available on GID. She stated that in
. 1 in 100 men cross dress on a regular basis either in part, termed under dressing(wearing of female garments under rationally male garments) or in full presentation (wearing clothes normally associated as female, makeup and prosthetics)
. of the 1 in 100 - 88% are still in the closet limiting their activities to either dressing outside of the home or in secret within the home.
. of the 1 in 100 - 12 % are out of the closet actively presenting as female in public
. 83% of first marriages end in divorce when transgendered activities are revealed, after 4 years of marriage.
. 92% of relationships are stable(in reguards to crossdressing) when disclosed at the start of a relationship.
There was additional information, but until i confirm the sources i will limit it to above. In view of the above I have created the following table and have come to the following conclusions
LOOK AT THE TABLE AT THE END OF THIS POST THEN CONSIDER :
Average football stadium seats 70,000 and if half are women then there may be 350 crossdressers in attendance.
Average airport handles 101,000 passengers each day and if half are women then there may be 505 crossdressers intraveling.
Average NASCAR has 167,000 and if half are women then there may be 835 crossdressers would be attending.
At the 109 congress there were 458 men, so there may be 4 or 5 CD Senators or Congresmen. What state do you think they are in ?


Sorry girls, thats the best I can do on the carts , Put on you rose colored reading glasses if you need them.

Uh oh. This seems to have touched something with people. I will answer what i can. I did the chart late at night, after being awake for 20 hrs.

The out of the closet profile, was specificly NOT full time crossdressers, or pre or post OP Transsexuals.

I am not a statician, I just:

.multiplied the population*.001 for number of crossdressers
.multiplied the number of crossdressers*.12 for the out figure
.multiplied the number of crossdressers*.88 for the closeted crossdressers.

the corrected formula must be more like:
.multiplied the number of crossdressers*.12*.5 for the out male crossdressers
.multiplied the number of crossdressers*.88*.5 for the closeted male crossdressers.

The meeting was at a TriEss chapter in Baltimore


I agree the actual numbers should be half to account for half(approx) of the population being male.

Either way its still a heck of a lot of people. Makes me wonder what the FTM numbers would add to it.

I will leave it up to the researchers to make the determination, I just thought it was fun information.

Kelly

[Michl41]

Maybe, the state of disbelief?................

[jennCD]

... or a state of confusion?


jenn

[Kelly DeWinter]

I still find it staggering, that there is a possibility of 3 Million crossdressers in the US. and 55,000 in Maryland alone.

[trisha59]

One month and 13 days ago I would have thought that these numbers were way off. Now I think that there are right on the money.

[Kelly DeWinter]

LOL Trish , I have to ask , what happened 1 month and 13 days ago ?

[Raquel June]

I can believe those numbers -- that 1% of men crossdress, and that the majority of those are just guys who like to wear panties under their khakis now and then. So 3 million guys in the US wear panties now and then. Not really unbelievable at all.

What I think is ridiculous is that there are several people on this forum who continually say that 5% to 10% of men are crossdressers. That's totally absurd, and if it was true this forum would have 11 million members, not 11,000.

LOL Trish , I have to ask , what happened 1 month and 13 days ago ?

trisha59
Join Date
10-01-2008

[avril findlay]

I knew it!, I knew it!, there's millions of the b******s!

[Jill]

Thanks for the numbers, I've always wondered. It wouldn't surprise me at all if it was a tad higher then 1% but it's a generous number and equates to a lot of crossdressers. This forum has a vast population and I'm sure the people on here are just a small representation of the total population. I'd be curious to know how many new members join this forum every day.

[trisha59]

trisha59
Join Date
10-01-2008

Racquel you are so cleaver. I know that it's not in the millions but I wonder how many others are out there who were like me and are just getting started with this computer stuff and have yet to stumbled upon this site yet.

[MJ]

It don't surprise me i still think the numbers are still low myself

[DonnaT]

What state do you think they are in

The State of Denial ?

[yms]

Hi

Do you know the name of this psychologist and where this meeting took place?

Thanks
Yvonne

[ReneeT]

Kelly,

In your tables you extraapolate the number of crossdressers from the total population. As I read the data, it appears that you need to multiply the total population number by the proportion of males. thus, approx 1.5 m cd ers in the US . That's still a lot!

[Julogden]

Hi Kelly,

I too think that's a conservative percentage, I'd love to know more about how she came up with it. My experience is that most CD's are totally closeted and isolated, making it very difficult to get an accurate sense of their numbers.

Keep in mind that she's only seeing a subset of CD's: those who are experiencing enough distress over their dressing to seek her counselling. Most of us would never see her or any other gender therapist.

Growing up, I had 6 male friends in my neighborhood, one of whom was definitely a CD, I know because he told me and we dressed up together a couple times, and another that I strongly suspect, but 2 of us were/are definitely CD's. Ignoring the friend that I'm pretty sure of, that's still 28% of us who were CD's. Typical? I can't say, probably higher than the average, but probably not too much higher.

Among my male cousins on my father's side, counting me there were 9 boys, 2 of us that I know of definitely were/are CD's, roughly 22%. I know these are anecdotal evidence, but I feel that they are pretty good indication that the percentage is probably way higher than 1%.

Carol

[Raquel June]

It don't surprise me i still think the numbers are still low myself

I think the numbers are actually a little too high still. At least the "out" number is too high.

Coming from a therapist, I'm sure there are much more "out" people who would see a therapist because people who get therapy tend to deal with their issues instead of hiding them.

Kelly,

In your tables you extraapolate the number of crossdressers from the total population. As I read the data, it appears that you need to multiply the total population number by the proportion of males. thus, approx 1.5 m cd ers in the US . That's still a lot!

That's true. Only 49% of the population is male, and if we rule out crossdressing teens, only 35% of the population is males over the age of 19.

There are 707,000 people in the two main Dayton counties. That means 2,474 are supposedly male crossdressers over age 19, and 297 are supposedly out. The only real support group around has about 10 regular members if you include me, and most of them aren't out. I've hit pretty much every club in Dayton several times and still see the same miniscule number of crossdressers. People come from all over Ohio and West Virginia to go to CD events in Columbus, and I still run into the same 50 people most of the time. The vast majority of them aren't out, either. There is a TG support group in Cincinnati called Crossport. It's seriously run by the nicest people I've ever met. People come from Dayton, Indiana, Kentucky -- all over. But it's still the same 10 or 15 people most of the time, and most of them aren't out. They had a float in the Pride parade that had 3 people on it.

So I just take big issue with that "out" statistic. I've met a over 200 crossdressers in person, and obviously there are tons I haven't met from around here, but the vast majority of them are far from out.

of the 1 in 100 - 12 % are out of the closet actively presenting as female in public

Actively presenting? That sounds like defining "out" as meaning fulltime femme.

When I think of the people I know who actively present as female ... I know one who presents as female in Dayton, but actually lives 30 miles away and presents as male there. I know two fulltimers in Dayton and two more who are fairly androgynous types who I'll go ahead and group as fulltime. I know a drag queen who is fulltime and has implants. I know two who actively present as female in Cincinnati (one recently moved to Seattle). I know three in the Toledo/Cleveland area who are fulltime. I know a couple in Columbus who are transitioning. So, I personally know over 10 people in Ohio who are fulltime, but most of them are on hormones, and 2 have had full SRS, one had an orchiotomy, and one has implants. I know of 10 escorts in Ohio, but all of them have implants or are on massive amounts of hormones.

I know plenty people in the TS/TV/TG/CD community, but fulltime people who aren't transitioning? That's an extremely low number. When I really think about it, I only know two people who are fulltime who aren't transitioning.

Interestingly, I know more people than that who are on hormones but aren't out.

Most of us would never see her or any other gender therapist.

That's terrifying, but you're probably right.

I had 6 male friends in my neighborhood, one of whom was definitely a CD

...

that's still 28% of us who were CD's. Typical? I can't say, probably higher than the average, but probably not too much higher.

A sample size of 6 isn't useful for any real statistics. That's no more valid than if you said, "My best friend is straight, so I think close to 100% of the population is straight."

Besides, people tend to be drawn to similar people, even if they don't know it. Personally, I'm just magically drawn to crossdressers and computer geeks. That, and girls with big butts. I'm not sure how that happened, though.

[tealannette]

This is awsome news...I feel wonderful know. I should give this to my SO. May not help, but it is worth a try.

[sandra-leigh]

Apparently there are quite a number of cross-dressers in Congress and Senate; a few months ago I encountered a site which said roughly that "you would be surprised how many cannot make a speech unless they are wearing panties", and the author proceeded to say roughly, "I should know; I'm their therapist".

Now, where's the link-guy when you need him?


All the other figures I've seen have been for more than 1% of the population, but no-one can seem to agree on the figure. My local "Tall Girl" shop told me that they get guys in there fairly regularly, that I'm not even close to being the only male customer. As I recall, they mentioned that some of them were from the local professional football team (which happens to play in the stadium that is the next building over from the mall with the Tall Girl shop.)

I have seen a number of posters comment that they went wig shopping and have asked about the incidence of male customers (for female wigs); most of them get told that the store gets quite a few customers. If my memory serves me correctly, one of the wig stores reportedly said that men are 40% of their business.

I can say that in pretty much any women's clothing store I go into in the city (and I usually go in drab), they are not even a little startled that I am shopping for myself: they've seen it before often enough that nearly all of the sales assistants are accustomed to it. I did get one sales assistant who was visibly startled, but she was game and did her best to help me; she mentioned it was her first day on the job. And yes, in some of the more expensive stores, I do sometimes get a sales agent asking me "Can I help you?" with the "What are you doing in this store?" undertone -- so I just tell them what I'm looking for, and it's usually only about 10 seconds from starting to talk before the "WTF is he here??" look is completely gone, replaced by the kind of look reserved for serious polite customers who are prepared to spend money.


But those are anecdotes. Hard figures... difficult to get.

One way we might be able to get a rough estimate is to examine relative proportions of therapists that mention gender therapy (in their advertising), or of doctors that mention gender.

In my local area, there are 5 "sex therapists" listed, one of whom mentions "gender" specifically, and a second of whom mentions "gay and lesbian issues".

Sorry, I don't have time to go through the "therapists" or "doctors" sections at the moment.

[marny]

1 in 100... give yourself a shake if you think that is a signifigent number! Try 1 in 7 and see if that rings a bell hon!

[Kelly DeWinter]

Uh oh. This seems to have touched something with people. I will answer what i can. I did the chart late at night, after being awake for 20 hrs.

The out of the closet profile, was specificly NOT full time crossdressers, or pre or post OP Transsexuals.

I am not a statician, I just:

.multiplied the population*.001 for number of crossdressers
.multiplied the number of crossdressers*.12 for the out figure
.multiplied the number of crossdressers*.88 for the closeted crossdressers.

the corrected formula must be more like:
.multiplied the number of crossdressers*.12*.5 for the out male crossdressers
.multiplied the number of crossdressers*.88*.5 for the closeted male crossdressers.

The meeting was at a TriEss chapter in Baltimore

I agree the actual numbers should be half to account for half(approx) of the population being male.

Either way its still a heck of a lot of people. Makes me wonder what the FTM numbers would add to it.

I will leave it up to the researchers to make the determination, I just thought it was fun information.

I'm just glad it's more then the 70 or so crossdressers I know !
Kelly

[jazmine]

I think there's WAY more out there.

[Raquel June]

The out of the closet profile, was specificly NOT full time crossdressers, or pre or post OP Transsexuals.

What exactly did they mean by "actively presenting as female in public" then?

[AlysonCD]

I just like what it said for my state, (MS). Something like 20,000 cd's here. If that's true, where are they already??? lol

[Kelly DeWinter]

What exactly did they mean by "actively presenting as female in public" then?

She ment "was specificly NOT full time crossdressers, or pre or post OP Transsexuals." exactly.

I know of at least one crossdresser who presents as female in public when she goes out, but Kelly reverts back to male mode when she gets home. I suspect there might be others who do that exact same thing in this forum from what i've read.

[Angie G]

Something to think about. But there is no disorder in my GI.
Angie