Becky, well said. I know that Zooey likes us but sometime what she implies gets under our skins because she tells us we are men like Conan the barbarian and we resent that a bit because we are far more feminine men and she should know that. It is also a safety issue for some of us to go into a male bathroom. I always look over my shoulder for any trouble. But en fem some of us pass and it would be real bad to have to use the men's room and she says we are manly men anyways and that is our safety issue while the GG's have said they understand the issues and to do what we have been doing but use common sense. And many of us do that. So the argument goes on for no reason at all. I guess we will never agree and there is a lot more crossdressers than TS, it would be a larger number if we worked together. That is all we are saying. But I understand now that the TS wants to go alone for their rights and we will have to do the same.