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Cheryl, I've just bought three new dresses on sale!!! One a Dillards and two at Avenue. I prefer dresses with 1/2 to 3/4 sleeves and a wrap or faux wrap style to give me a bit of a waist. One is a medium blue, one a medium green and the third is kinda light /olive green. I love wearing them, but honestly, I feel a bit overdressed so will probably reserve for special occassions. (Like when my wife finally gives in and takes me out to dinner)
A quick count: My office building opens into a busy downtown mall. At noon today, I walked through and counted exactly 11 dresses or skirts. A quick estimation based on a couple of sample counts has the total number of people I passed as approximately 400, about 2/3rds of which were female ... 4%.
Lea
The first 2 sentences are spoken like a true gentleman! Perhaps this is why women got away from wearing clothes that caused men to tune out what she was saying because the man was to busy checking out her tits and ass!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dana7
I agree with the last sentence, skirts and certain dresses are more comfortable than pants. I avoid pants and shorts like the plague in the summer but its pretty much all pants in the winter. Its also true that most childcare/housekeeping chores are not hard to do while wear a skirt or dress however they are just as easily done in pants and pants leave the wearer with the flexibility to do many things that would be difficult, awkward or unbecoming in a skirt or dress.
Cheryl,Quote:
Originally Posted by Cheryl T
Try the Dress Barn. That is a clothing store devoted to women's dresses, and they have all styles and types. I have also found some really nice dresses at the thrift stores. But it is wise to know your measurements before you go so you can measure the dresses right off the rack and determine whether they will be a good fit in case there is a problem using the dressing room.
I have found lots of good dress styles at Penneys also. MY SO absolutely LOVES shopping at Penneys. Be sure to get there during their "Doorbuster" sales. We've found many lovely outfits for her while shopping there and I have also seen quite a few outfits that would look great on me. You can always review their online catalog, as well as listings by other department stores online. A clever strategy that my SO uses is to go to the store and see if it fits, then if it is cheaper online (which sometimes is true) then she orders online. You might try that as well. If you prefer to remain anonymous with your purchases you can measure the dress off the rack and then if it works, order it online and have it delivered to your door. Anyone who sees the package won't even know what's in it.
I hope that helps.
I think that there is a regional variation as well. Here in SoCal women can comfortably wear dresses through most of the year so we tend to see more dresses when strolling the mall than you would in, say, Michigan.
I disagree with skirts being more comfortable than jeans. When wearing jeans you can sit however you want, never catch your hem with your heel while standing, can walk with whatever stride you wish, and have no worries about gusts of wind. Jeans are just a more convenient garment.
That being said, I still love to wear skirts and dresses when I can. My current favorite look is a short sweaterdress worn with leggings. It's cute, a little sexy, and goes well with my tall stature. Apparently many GGs agree with me as I see quite a few similarly attired. :)
Eryn
I hate the manditory coat and tie look that men have to wear to dress up! If only there were alternatives for men's formal wear!Quote:
Originally Posted by Eryn
Johanna
i am SO tired of this old complaint! If you had to wear a dress every day with all that goes with it you might change your silly mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Angela2me
I grew up in the 50s and 60s. Girls wore dresses to school every day. That meant garter belts or girdles, longline bras, dress shields (we didn't have anti-persperants), full fashioned stockings (look it up if you don't know what that means), and flats or heels. We could wear shorts and pants after school.
It's plain not true that women and girls didn't wear pants. We wore pants quite often. But not to church. And not to school. In my house girls did NOT wear jeans (dungarees, my mom called them), but many of my friends did wear jeans. I didn't until I went off to college in 1961.
Now a days I am eternally greatful to Goddess that those days are gone for good. I love skirts, but am happy to wear them when I want, not when some arbitrary social rule (or some MAN) tells me I must.
But let's get over this myth about women not wearing pants. It's just that. A myth. Women wore pants back in the dark ages of the 50s and 60s. A LOT. I was there. I remember. If your view of that era is colored by your watching old television shows, this is understandable. But listen to one who was there. Pick up an old Sears Robuck catalog. You will see lots of pants for sale.
S
Excerpted from the Wikipedia article: "Women wearing pants"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_wearing_pants
"In the Western world, women have historically worn dresses and skirt-like garments while men have worn trousers...and in the 1970s, trousers became especially fashionable for women...trousers for women in western countries did not become fashion items until the later 20th century...In the 1960s, André Courrèges introduced long trousers for women as a fashion item, leading to the era of the pantsuit and designer jeans and the gradual eroding of the prohibitions against girls and women wearing trousers in schools, the workplace, and fine restaurants."
Wearing pants prior to the 1960's was the exception, not the rule. There is a picture posted in the local supermarket where I shop and it shows the interior of the market when it first opened. In this black-and-white picture of yesteryear, virtually all the women are wearing skirts and dresses. You could probably count the number of women in slacks and trousers on one hand. It really struck me when I first saw that picture. Things must have really been different back then.
I agree with you Stephanie that perhaps back then it was more inconvenient to wear dresses and skirts, with the associated garter belts, girdles, longline bras, dress shields and full fashioned stockings, but those are no longer necessary to wear skirts and dresses. Pantyhose has simplified underdressing considerably, although I will agree that they can be a pain to wear. Now it is much easier to slip into a dress or skirt than it used to be. And heels are certainly not mandatory when wearing a dress. There are lots of casual dress and skirt styles that are very attractive and don't require heels.
I never said that women never wore pants. But they were not worn nearly as much as dresses and skirts back then. I know because I saw it, and there are plenty of photographs that confirm it. Even Wikipedia agrees.
It's too bad that women have stopped wearing skirts and dresses so much as they used to. They were an attractive part of the social scene. And just because a woman wears a dress does not mean that a man will be oogling her chest and only looking at her as a sex object.
It seems to me that among the reasons women wear pants these days is as much about asserting equality with men as anything else. It seems to be more of a social-political statement than a fashion statement. But there is strength in femininity, if women would accept it.
See:
http://theartofbeingfeminine.blogspo...-men-love.html
http://frankysj.tripod.com/fwlsn18.html
http://webcenters.netscape.compuserv...men/curvywomen
"This old complaint" that men always want to see women in skirts and dresses more is not just a passing fad. It is is rooted in the way men are wired. Men are programmed to be visual creatures, that has been proven by numerous studies. And dresses and skirts, because they are feminine, are a lot more easy on the eyes to a man. They are more attractive because they display the curves of a woman better. They speak of an essence that is like a compelling fragrance to a man. Femininity is very attractive to a man and dresses and skirts are feminine.
I think that this is part of the reason some men crossdress. Some men strongly desire more femininity in their lives and because they are not receiving it from others they create it in themselves.
But the sad part of all of this is that with the advent of women's freedom to wear pants more instead of skirts and dresses, a similar freedom for men to wear skirts and dresses did not come about. I did find a couple of interesting articles in Wikipedia that do show men wearing skirts though:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men%27s_skirts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fustanella
Those Fustanellas look kinda cute! :battingeyelashes:
YES, it was different back then. Women could not be employed for any position of authority, let alone decent pay. Women were treated as property, and not that long ago could not own property. They could not vote. If they were unmarried, it was frowned upon. Shall I go on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dana7
Yeah, and back then, men wore suits and hats EVERY DAY. Wool suits at that. How about women of today lament how slobby guys look in their t-shirts and pants and ask them to wear suits all the time. No more sneakers--leather flat dress shoes only gentlemen
Yes, I crossdress. Yes, I like to wear dresses. I like dresses. We (crossdressers) have no right to judge.
Your other quote "I think this is why some men crossdress". My wife is femenine. She wears dresses often. She has long hair, wears makeup, and loves shopping for then most part. It has NOTHING to do with my crossdressing.
I (and I believe most crossdressers) dress to fill a need internally that enjoys the feeling of being dressed as a woman. For me, it feels normal to wear womens clothes. It is calming, and for the most part relaxing.
Nothing at all has to do with my mother, a lack of "feminine" qualities from my spouse, or the lack of a father figure.. Can't you just accept that it might be possible we were born this way? Most crossdressers start dressing (or at least have the urges) before they ever have a girlfriend, so wheres the "blame" now?
I do agree. Thank you for all of your contributions J'lyn!Quote:
Originally Posted by J'lyn GG
Women's slacks can certainly be classic and sexy, in almost situation. However, as a taller CD, it is MUCH harder for me to find slacks that fit than dresses. First, length and fit (hips/thighs) are more of an obstacle than in a dress. The length issue can be solved by buying higher end slacks that are not pre-hemmed. This creates its own issue-- where can I go to get my slacks tailored in this town (they must be tailored to what shoe you think you might wear, so you have to wear your girl shoes, too) without it being all over time by nightfall? So, overall, it is easier for many CDs to wear skirts and dresses. As to availability of dresses, (1) comb clearance racks at Ross, Maxx and Marshalls (2) if you want really good dresses, go to Neiman Marcus last call (This will set your heart a-flutter to see what they have) or to a lesser extent SFA or Nordstrom's outlets, (3) patronize local thrift stores (my best sequined dress and ball gowns are from thrift stores) If you live in or around Houston, go to Dillards outlet at Greenpoint. It happens that this week, the Lord and Taylor outlets are selling off their entire dress inventory at 29.99. L&T used to be higher end, but they had some decent dresses from Adrienne Pappell and other mid level makers-- you could do well there.
As to the observation on Wikipedia that having women wear less "feminine" clothing causes men to go CD, I think that is probably wrong most of the time based on little more than what I have read on this and other sites. That being said, in my case, that is exactly what catalyzed Christine's appearance from nothing. That story is for another post when I have really had too much to drink.
Best, Christine
oh, my, this is getting a little out of hand. I made an observation, not a judgement of GGs.
I like the feminine look. Sorry, but I do. Not the sexy or provocative look. I accept that not all GGs like or want that look. This is just me expressing what I like.
My idea of the feminine look is long, soft flowing skirted clothing, soft colours, long natural hair and limited or no make up. (I am not big on cleavage, short skirts or tight fitting garments) I often look at young girls who seem to be very natural and comfortable looking girlish and wonder why many GGs move away from that as they get older. Yes, again, this is not a judgement, just my thoughts. I agree there are situations that are not suited to wearing skirted or flowing clothing. But if I was walking along the water front boulevard on a warm spring day, I would love to be wearing a long, light, flowing dress and sandals.
I kinda hope people can express their thoughts and observations here without starting wars. I would like to hear thoughts and experiences from GGs as I have not walked many steps in their shoes, so to speak.
Keep it pleasant please.
Angela
I have very sexy legs and the though of covering them with slacks is not an option
Dana, Although there is some truth those who have disagreed wrote, overall, you are RIGHT ON! In American society, indeed, the standards of almost everything, have been LOWERED. I was in a hospital recently, and on the wall, were photos of many past years. In ALL OF THE PHOTOS, THE NURSES WORE DRESSES, up until the late 1970's or early 1980's. It was a more bright world, in THAT way, though society has always had dark, and bad aspects. I live in an area, where i seldom see ladies in dresses. Maybe once a week. I also agree. I dress, PARTLY, because i have never had a SO, or wife, and my dressing up, brings rare feminine looks into my lonely life.
Thanks Louise, for your affirmation. I agree with you, it was a brighter world then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Treetop Louise
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I think maybe you're just looking in the wrong places. I see plenty of women in dresses or skirts. Try fashion malls or perhaps in front of women's more glamorous clothing stores. After all, girls shopping at stores that sell jeans are more likely to like wearing jeans, and vice versa.
My favorite spot for lunch is a park near a bunch of office buildings; I get there early, buy lunch, bring a book and wear sunglasses. The amount of 'eye candy' there is incredible. I wonder if anyone ever notices that I never turn a page.
Edit: Whoops, sorry, Angela, I didn't notice you were in Australia. But I think it may apply there too. Younger female office workers are probably more likely to be found in more revealing attire, whether they're dressing to impress one particular guy, or simply because they like feeling that they look 'hot'.
Rebecca, you've misquoted me. I did not say "I think this is why some men crossdress".Quote:
Originally Posted by rebecca.cross2
I said, "I think that this is part of the reason some men crossdress."
There is a big difference between what you quoted and what I actually wrote. Please don't misconstrue what I said.
I wear pants because they are easy, comfortable, and economical. The shoes or ankle boots I wear with pants are a great deal more comfortable than pumps and sandals, even though they still are 3" heels. I can throw my pants (mostly skinny black jeans or blue jeans) in the wash and not iron them. I can't do this with my dresses. For every day wear, pants make a lot more sense for me. Also, I don't work in an office, I don't meet with clients, and so I don't see the point of wearing dresses just to do my errands or work on the computer. Not having come from work, I'd really feel over dressed putting on a skirt suit or a dress just to go to Lowes or the grocery store. Do guys wear suits and ties on Saturdays when they're doing errands and stuff around the house? :)
I do not wear pants in order to compete with men or to make me feel more powerful. I wear them because I was a teenager in the 70s when everyone wore blue jeans to school, and I haven't stopped wearing them. That said, I love to dress when we do go out. I have several very pretty dresses, and a few killer pair of shoes to wear when we go to restaurants or a show. So I dress for the occasion. :) In the summer time I wear easy care summer skirts (twill or blue jean) that I can also throw in the wash. They are more flattering on me at my age than short shorts. :p
Dana ... your comment about CDers who dress partly in order to make up for the lack of femininity around them. You're new here, but believe me this is a contentious issue. Such CDs may well be autogynephilic (the love of oneself as a woman), which I suppose can be extrapolated from having such a great love of femininity there is a need to recreate it within the self, but not all CDers feel the way you do. You should do some research on this. Also, I've got to tell you that as a GG, I felt very sad when I first started reading there was a possibility my SO dressed partly because I wasn't feminine enough. In our case (as in most cases) it didn't turn out to be true, but when I was a newbie reading all this stuff, I was seriously second guessing my role in our relationship.
Reine, it's never true in any case. We cd'ers dress for our own selfish (not necessarly a bad thing) reasons. Trying to pin the reason we dress the way we do on the so-called lack of womens feminity in the way they dress, is the depth of insult and arrogance. Narcissism is probably a more accurate term.Quote:
Originally Posted by ReineD
All a cd'er has to do is stop looking in the mirror and look around, there are absolutely lovely GG's wearing beautiful dresses and skirts everywhere. Not to mention they make themselves look fantasticly feminine in the choices of comfortable and practical pants/leggings and tops they wear.
"Selfish" can be misconstrued by people who don't understand. I prefer to use "self-fulfillment". A CD dresses because he needs to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonianne
I also don't think the CDs who feel they dress because women around them aren't feminine enough, are necessarily arrogant or narcissistic. They may be, or maybe they simply have a fetish for just the clothes? Could it be they find beauty in the clothes more than the woman, or maybe they have very narrow ideals of what women should look like, perhaps influenced by all the models in the clothing catalogues?
If a cd'er is driven to dress the way she thinks women should be dressing, but are not; I think that cd'er should be giving the acceptance she wants in her choices, to others who choose to dress how they feel. Does that mean that if all of a sudden, women started wearing beautiful dresses all the time, then would that cd'er no longer feel the need to dress in that fashon? If that's what's driving her, then shouldn't that be the case?
I'm sorry, I just don't get it when cd'ers (of all people?) rag on women for the way they choose to dress.
To who ever quoted Wikipedia above to justify the statement that women did not wear pants in the 40s, 50s, and 60s. Thus just displays how Wikipedia can be wrong. Remember, Wikipedia is an UNedited body of knowledge.
Listen, I was there. Women DID wear pants. I have many pictures of my mom in pants in the 30s and 40s. I wore pants and shorts in the 50s and 60s. Just AFTER school and NEVER to church or to travel or shop.
Yes, women wore skirts and dresses far more often back then. But let's try to keep a good grasp on reality here and avoid statements that women didn't wear pants until the 1970s. That's just silly.
S
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Originally Posted by ReineD
Well, there may be a germ of truth there. Back before I came to terms with myself I would sometimes project my clothing desires onto my wife. I'd see a pair of cute shoes or a dress and try to get her interested in them but of course her tastes are different than mine. She has a strong sense of practicality that many CDers lack. Her disinterest was frustrating to me and with my lack of communication it was easy to incorrectly perceive this disinterest as a "lack of femininity" or perhaps a "waste of opportunity."Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonianne
Since then we've become more open with each other and I dress more freely. I now own many items like those in which I was trying to interest my wife. From my new perspective it is easy to see why she doesn't want to spend long periods of time in dresses and heels. To a GG it's a no-brainer, but unless males have "walked the mile" they have no appreciation of the difficulties involved in wearing many items of clothing.
So, please forgive us our warped perspectives. We're wrong, but it's more because of lack of information and communications than any imperious intent.
Erin, I just edited my own quote in your post above, to put in my entire sentence. The partial sentence you quoted read as if I had had this issue with my SO, which I didn't. I just got spooked when I started reading the threads in this forum that spoke of CDers who dress because they feel women aren't feminine enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eryn
That said, you bring up an interesting point. Maybe it is the frustrated, closeted CDers who feel this way, and once they leave their closets and begin going out frequently, they change their attitudes?
Another great point! I hardly think that CDs would lose their desires to dress if GGs began dressing up on a daily basis. In fact, I think it would make the desire to dress even stronger. We've read countless threads by CDs who say they are often triggered when they see a beautiful woman dressed, or when the Spring and Fall catalogs come out. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Jonianne
Reine, my intent was to reduce the quote to the single point to which I was responding and included ellipses to clearly indicate that it was but a partial quote. I apologize if this was perceived as an attempt to change your meaning.
Back on topic, I believe that it is impossible to "leave the closet" without changing one's attitudes markedly. Clothing and other items that work well for a 5-minute photoshoot or an evening lounging around home can be disasters when you have to walk a quarter-mile from parking to a theater or encounter wind or rain.
Mimi and I are going out to a nice dinner tonight with a group of friends. It's threatening rain here in SoCal. I'm having to think of alternative outfits in case it does decide to rain. I have carefully checked to make sure that the restaurant has valet parking. I would never have though of that in male mode and didn't really think of the fact that women have to do it either until I literally put myself in their shoes!
Eryn