How many on this site consider themselves TGirls as oppsoed to CDers...???

I was chatting with my spouse the other day about "what am I", and we had a discussion , my thinking one way, she was thinking another.
I think much of what you are is based on where you are in your journey.
The tgirl description is quite broad and even describing yourself as a CD takes on many versions.
I heard the term "gender fluid" the other day, and that is a bit like how I feel, sort of slipping between been feminine and masculine depending upon the time and place.
For me, as a tgirl, i love the crossdressing side of my life, and I enjoy being with women more than men.
It is not simple..

Ciao
Kerrie

Is "crossdressing" what we do to be what we are? a tgirl...I feel that I am bi gendered as I've previously stated...both male and female so when I'm female I dress as a female...so I don't think that is cross dressing since I am dressing for my gender appropriate at that particular time...I take on a whole different thought feeling and expression when I'm in my female mode regardless of what clothes I have on....so think fo it...for some of us who sahre this feeling and identify with having two genders when in female mode are we really crossdressing? Some might say yes we are...but we really know what we are doing...we're simply dressing to our particular gender....nothing more nothing less I'm guessing....

I am I right here????

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Originally Posted by Nicki B

Why does it have to be 'above' or 'more than' a CD?? :sad:

That so often repeated notion of a hierarchy is so VERY devisive.. :(


Surely by now we know there aren't hard and fast lines between people - which is why 'transgender' is so often used to cover everybody? :)

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Nicki, when I said "a little more", it was not to be hierarchal(?). It was to say crossdressing means a little more to me than just having fun dressing in female style cloths. When identity is involved, then it is a little beyond cloths, which just is, neither good or bad.

For most of my life I presumed I was a Transvestite/CD or what ever that label is - but now I realise all along I was transgender/transsexual.

I'm far happier and contented now

I think to honestly answer the question for yourself, you have to ask yourself if you would feel the same way and be the same person without the clothes.

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Originally Posted by Jonianne

I crossdress because I like to identify "with" females, but I don't identify "as" a female. I am male, I have never thought otherwise, but on the emotional level I feel closer to females than males. Mentaly and physically I identify as a male. I don't think there is a hard and fast defination for me or probably anybody here. Probably a little more than just a crossdresser, but that is close enough for me.

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I couldn't agree with you more Joni, you are I are about the same age and are on the same wavelength. This T-girl jazz is such an imbugious term its not definitive. I'll make my own idenity even plainer and call myself a female impersonator. Not in the performer drag quen sense but to appear and act as a female and fool people by passing and getting away with it. Thats my thrill. After 3 hours, I come home, the wig comes off, the makeup cleaned off and back to Hanes briefs and t-shirt and brown socks. That'a fine with me. I am the actor/ actress part of this whole "CD?" thing.Remember when we used to be called transvestites? How goush!

Thats my gig and I'm happy with it. TO each their own, everyone has their own life style and idenity. No critcism here.

Megan

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Originally Posted by Megan70

Remember when we used to be called transvestites? How goush!

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Hey, if you don't like English, then move to somewhere with a different language. I'd skip France, though, as the vocabulary is similar enough that you might still not like it.

"Transvestite" means exactly the same thing as "crossdresser." It's wearing clothing considered to be for the opposite sex. There is no further connotation to it.

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Originally Posted by MissConstrued

Hey, if you don't like English, then move to somewhere with a different language. I'd skip France, though, as the vocabulary is similar enough that you might still not like it.

"Transvestite" means exactly the same thing as "crossdresser." It's wearing clothing considered to be for the opposite sex. There is no further connotation to it.

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Do you have a problem with everything? :brolleyes:
Jargon and vocab change over time

im ok with the balance at the moment,in another life,pure female i pray

Lets face it, you are a crossdresser unless one of two things are happening. One: You are living full time as a woman and dating either of the sexes. Two: You are in the stages of SRS and completely identify with being a female trapped in a male body. Thats the way society looks at it.

But what I say is screw society and thier LABELS! I say that when you are dressed up as a female and looking good, then you are a woman and you should be proud of that! When your not dressed up, you are a man, and should also be proud of that! I KNOW that I am the best of both sexes, regardless of how I am dressed. When I am dressed en femme, I have that little touch of pride that I am a man emmulating a woman. When dressed as a man, I feel empowered that I have all of a woman's attributes to supplement me. I am a man who likes to feel girly and femminine from time to time. So what?
Be who you are, NOT what society might label you.

"Rejoice in yourselves my Sisters, for all things are possible and attainable beyond our own pre-concieved limitations!"

Quote by me Madison Lee

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Originally Posted by Nicki B

Why does it have to be 'above' or 'more than' a CD?? :sad:

That so often repeated notion of a hierarchy is so VERY devisive.. :(


Surely by now we know there aren't hard and fast lines between people - which is why 'transgender' is so often used to cover everybody? :)

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I don't understand why you would think that that someone who states that they are transexual is trying to imply that they are above or more than a CD'er.
Transexuals and crossdressers have some of the same issues, but some different issues and motivations as well. I feel that if I know someone's motivation it gives me a better understanding of what that person feels.If labels imply some kind of hierarchy, why not just change the name of this site to "people.com"? We are all people so why not get rid of labels entirely?I don't label myself in order to establish some kind of pecking order,rather than to simply let other's know my motivation for the things I say and do.
I feel the same way about someone who mentions their sexuality... no it really has no bearing on the "group", but it does give others insights to others and other peoples lifestyles. What's next? No panty threads, no silly threads? No coming out threads, because wouldn't that imply that that person is "more" than the closeted one? Should we just all be drones...and talk about the same things? same notions,same thoughts,same point of view.
This subject is taboo,because it offends my sensibilities? This subject is taboo, because it doesn' focus on the "movement" . Wouldn't it be boring if we were just toatally the same? This group is very diverse and I see nothing wrong with individuals expressing themselves,isn't that the premise of this site? should we not deviate from the herd mentality?
Kelly

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Originally Posted by kellycan27

What are you rolling your eyes about?

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So often, here, we are divided by an allegedly common language..

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Why do you even care what I call myself. You're the one who's hung up on labels and hierachys and excluding people... I don't care about all that crap I am me and I am doing my thing. I couldn't care less what other people call themselves or how they describe themselves.... It has no effect on me, so why would I even care?

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It only matters if you are saying only transsexual people can be transgender - the definition used most widely, worldwide, is that the term is an umbrella word for all of us. (a small, almost solely american, usage is to mean only those TSs in the process of transitioning.)

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Why do you feel that you have to take issue with just about anybody that posts anything?Like you are right and everyone else is wrong.

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I wouldn't presume to be right all the time - that's somewhat of an exaggeration, surely?

But I think the notion that some are better than others - widely expressed here in the way many people use language - should be confronted. Do you disagree with that?

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Originally Posted by kellycan27

I don't understand why you would think that that someone who states that they are transexual is trying to imply that they are above or more than a CD'er.

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I didn't say that, though - I highlighted other people using words like 'more than' or 'above' on this thread (or, on other threads, 'only') to refer to CDs. :sad:

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We are all people so why not get rid of labels entirely?

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A group label has uses - but all the subdivisions people concentrate on are surely only divisive, not inclusive? :(

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What's next? No panty threads, no silly threads? No coming out threads, because wouldn't that imply that that person is "more" than the closeted one? Should we just all be drones...and talk about the same things? same notions,same thoughts,same point of view.

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I have no interest in 'pantie' threads - but I don't think I'm alone in that. That just means I don't read them - why would you suggest they shouldn't be allowed?? :strugglin

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This subject is taboo,because it offends my sensibilities? This subject is taboo, because it doesn' focus on the "movement" . Wouldn't it be boring if we were just toatally the same?

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Here you're attributing words and motives to me I have never said.. :sad:

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This group is very diverse and I see nothing wrong with individuals expressing themselves,isn't that the premise of this site? should we not deviate from the herd mentality?

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Why would you think I disagree with that? And yet you're accusing me of being against diversity - whereas nothing could be further from my beliefs. :sad:

Perhaps this thread is worth re-reading, particularly for other's definitions of transgender? :)

I'm a computer illiterate trans-gender person that is probably TS but I'm too old to even talk to a shrink to find out. I am the happiest when I am living as a woman. I love to shop and visit with people as a woman. If I was 20 years younger I would transition. Leanne

Tgirl or Tranny is VERY offensive to most Transgendered people. Almost as offensive as the N-word is to black people.

Second off, Crossdressers and Transgendered people are NOT the same. The difference is obvious. We live as men and not full time as women. Transgendered people live FULL TIME as the other gender.

I identify as a TG and internally while dressed I am a "Lady"! I read a few years ago that you are what you think you are and since then when I dress I act like a woman and to be honest it is just a label CD/TG that is used more to identify M2F and I wonder if F2M's spend time on labels? So I say be who you want to be and in your online life you are TG/CD but publicly act as if you are the gender you are presenting then you will get comfortable in your outward presentation.

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Originally Posted by Nessa88

Second off, Crossdressers and Transgendered people are NOT the same. The difference is obvious. We live as men and not full time as women. Transgendered people live FULL TIME as the other gender.

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Actually there are two usages of the word transgender. One is as an umbrella term to encompass all gender variant people and the other is as you describe (apart from the fact that transgender is an adjective).

When my wife gets pissed at me, even she helps with my crosdressing at times, she calls me a[SIZE="4"]TRANSSEXTITE[/SIZE] :drink:

I can't breathe................................Second Hand Words!

Semantics

Get over it Av

IMHO most of us represent our feminine personality/side,at least on this board and most of us have female names that we identify ourselves with. I feel that many of us are beyond cross dressing but that doesn't matter,,or does it? If all we talked about was putting on a pair of panties and talking sports, I wouldn't be interested! Like many of you I wonder and dream of what it would like have a real woman's body,but I'm a guy.That's why I am here. AFU.!! My wife says to me "You're so lucky to be a guy!" Oh what-ever...I like going beyond just wearing clothes. I gave myself a woman's name. I shave my entire body,I go out in public as a female and I'm learning a female voice,,,Just a little more than cross dressing huh?
I'm a T-GIRL!...I guess..:o

..with many labels such as CD, TG, TS and TV. I find the lines rather blurred myself but I think based on my reading, I would be considered Transgendered.

Having said that, everyone seems to apply different definitions to these labels so at the end of the equation, I'm not sure it matters, the label but rather how you feel about yourself and what label works best for your own particular definition.

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Originally Posted by Nessa88

Tgirl or Tranny is VERY offensive to most Transgendered people. Almost as offensive as the N-word is to black people.

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Not necessarily most? Tranny has been widely used as shorthand for transgender now, for years - go to Manchester, for example and you'll find it full of people very happy to be called Tgirls (a few thousand this weekend)..

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Second off, Crossdressers and Transgendered people are NOT the same. The difference is obvious. We live as men and not full time as women. Transgendered people live FULL TIME as the other gender.

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Actually, the difference between TS and what you call CD can often be very blurred..


The word with the least amount of baggage seems to be 'trans'?

TS I, thought meant transsexual (person who has changed their bodies to be the opposite sex).TG meant transgendered (person with the wrong body for their identity) and CD meant cross dresser(person who just ears clothing of the opposite sex)
T-girl confuses me. I'm really a transgendered male.

Transexual - transdendered - transvestite. Quite clear actually.

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Originally Posted by Nicki B

Not necessarily most? Tranny has been widely used as shorthand for transgender now, for years - go to Manchester, for example and you'll find it full of people very happy to be called Tgirls (a few thousand this weekend)..



Actually, the difference between TS and what you call CD can often be very blurred..


The word with the least amount of baggage seems to be 'trans'?

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Try saying that to my Transgendered friend, she wouldn't be happy.

Tg for me.If I could give up my birth given body I would in a heartbeat:battingeyelashes:

A transsexual is someone who is predisposed to identify with the opposite sex, sometimes to the point of undergoing sex change surgery. ( Websters)

That sounds more like us.