That is the question I used to ask when I saw a CD. BEFORE I became one, about 13 years ago. :brolleyes:
I finally went out dressed for the very first time, at the SCC. As a CD, I KNOW which I prefer now! :D
( TG/TS's, we KNOW u dress because it's who u r! U really have NO CHOICE!)
But, many CDs DO have a choice! So, why would U go out dressed as a homely woman? Or, Do U!?:straightface:
Sherry I saw you at SCC and you are not a homely woman! So I know you are asking this question rhetorically. :hugs:
I can't give you an answer because I am one of those gals who is only expressing who is inside.
I've been told I make an attractive man, but I'd just rather be feminine. If it's a homely woman, than so be it. I'm all confused in my head right now :O
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Originally Posted by docrobbysherry
ouch you hit a chord!
but it is true, i struggle with that question all the time. unfortunately i can't get paste the [caring what people think phase] even us TG's ask ourselves that question. especially as i get older and need alot more makeup. :(
i'll go into it another time
hugs
msniki48
time for my jammies / nighty night
I believe that whichever you are as a man wether it be good looking, homely, or ugly; you make a step up as a woman. Makeup does wonders for the body and makes us feel good about ourselves as well.
I was an uglier man....:heehee:
the gender thing is who you are inside. TG's just try to make the outside reflect the inside best they can.
Might make an ugly this or a good looking that but if it is not who you are...
I have seen some guys who would make knock-out looking women but it is unlikely they would want to present as women.
The answer to your question is actually one of the big reasons I stopped dressing as a woman for the most part. I realized I looked better as a man in women's clothes than I did as a woman.
If I can't be good looking either way, I would rather be happy! :tongueout
Dear Doc (and all you others),
The FACT is that women come in ALL shapes and sizes, just like men. There are fat women, thin women, beautiful women, ugly women, handsome women, plain women, short women, tall women, women with broad shoulders, women with little boobs, women with narrow hips and no butt, and women with big hands and feet.
The desire to be, or look like, a pubecent teenage girl is impossible to attain for a middle aged man. But that doesn't mean you can't present to the world as a woman. It just means you can't look like a teenage girl no matter what you do or wish. It just ain't gonna happen. You are going to look like a tall women with broad shoulders, no hips and butt, no waist, and big hands and feet.
So suck it up. Get used to it. Live with it. Of course it would be wonderful to be thin, short, cute, and buxom. But 99% of the natal women out there would love to look this way too. In reality most people are not perfect, not men, and not women. We all have to work with what we got. You can spend your life wishing and wanting, or you can live your life the best you can with what God gave you. The choice is up to you.
Lovies,
Stephenie
Stephanie, and I totally agree. The other thing to remember is that our time here on earth is limited, and if you are fortunate enough to live in a country where you have the freedom to dress as you please without persecution, then by all means, do so, and do it with pride and purpose.
Suzanne:straightface:
We're not women we're crossdressers, and most of you are beautiful.
Hay Doc, As you can see by my pic's I don't pass and I would not say I am a homely (looking) woman but not bad. I am not by any stretch of the imagination a gorgeous woman ,and I just don't care. I dress out for me and for the exception of who I am inside and wanting to show the world how fabulous we can be and how sweet we are. :D
Wow I have been saying this so much that after this I will put it into my signature , but before I do that I will say ("I love being a Crossdresser")
I dress even though I believe I am a handsome man (prud) I have been told that I am good looking. Now as far as being a homely woman. In my opinion homely is the way people carry themselves not how they look. If a person feels ugly that is what they present to the world (its written on their face) If a person feels pretty that is what they pesent to the world (again its written on their face) To me its all attitude and confidence and a general no care about what others think. So for me I would like to protray the best looking female version of myself. :)
I think it is because most of us don't dress because we would think we look better as women than as men. I dress because I love feeling like a woman and being treated like one.
When I present as a man, women are attracted mostly by my intellect and personality. Let's say my looks don't interfere with that :) That process takes a looooong time, even though it's rewarding in friendship.
When I present as a woman, people are attracted first by looks (and I'll include accessories here), then by personality second. Getting to meet people quickly seems quicker, then, as a woman; even though it's just superficial at the moment, this is fun, and a big reason why I go out.
Stephanie S said it best.
These days neither or my persona is that much as far as eye candy goes.
I made a horrible looking man. I'm much happier doing what I can to look like what I am, a middle aged woman
Good question, these days I dress to blend into the crowd, using a lot of the tricks that GG's have to de-emphasize the less attractive aspects of their figures...you did get me to thinking about how cute I was when I was dressing up in my sister's clothes when I was 12, if I knew then what I know now!
This is why I don't go out dressed hun.:hugs:
Angie
Totally funny, but I think most of us posting in this thread are TG or leaning that way - giggles -. But what the heck! When I classified as CD, I also felt like an ugly man. Women are incredibily beautiful creatures... and even a homely woman can polish up in a way no man can ever dream of. Between the clothing, makeup, and accessories women bring attraction to an entire different level.
Though... dirty old men do have it made as far as staying "attractive" and getting old is concerned ;) lol
As I said previously RS, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. You've all seen many of my femme looks with my avatar pics here but even so some of my GG friends prefer me as my guy self. Go figure. In any case it matters to me little one way or the other and whatever I'm wearing I consider my "uniform" or "costume" for the day. Since I get into whatever character I'm portraying I consider myself a Transmorpher(TM) these days rather than a CD or TV.:)
Yes, indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephenie S
Actually, some of us are women, and/or identify as such.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bridget Fitzgerald
Veronica Rogers
Kelly, I don't think I'm the ONLY ONE HERE that thinks u couldn't POSSIBLY be a homely ANYTHING! No matter how hard u try!:heehee:Quote:
Originally Posted by kellycan27
I guess I have the best of BOTH worlds then, Katlyn? Being a unattractive "dirty old man" who can become an attractive young woman when the mood strikes?:devil:Quote:
Originally Posted by KatlynAshe
You are totally right. But when you have broad shoulders AND no boobs AND narrow hips AND no butt AND big hands and feet AND manly face AND adam apple AND deep voice AND big muscles, it's a bit different...Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephenie S
This is totally true. Even homely women have so many ways to improve their beauty.Quote:
Originally Posted by KatlynAshe
But even the best makeup and the nicest clothes can't make it work for me (no matter how much fun I get in the process).
Ay? I'm just expressing what's within me, nothing more and nothing less. I do make a far more attractive woman than man though.
Well, I might make an attractive man, but my subconcious actions speak otherwise. If I couldn't find a woman attracted to me as a man, why should I present as a man?
Dee
I feel just the opposite.
I've been told that I look better as a woman. Which tells you how ugly I must be as a guy! :brokenheart::Pullhair::wall:
Allright how do I get to be this attractive man. Heck I'm ugly all around!!!
Although I am probably more attractive as a male, the complements I receive as a female mean SO much more to me. I think that explains, at least in part, why I do it!
as a man, I have been told that I am good looking.
but I would rather be a cute woman....???...
I am stranger than fiction.
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Reading the first post, I think to myself, "Why have it one way or the other?" Shows you how my brain works. I love looking good in men's clothing (I'm told I look damned dashing in mah suit), and have plenty of narcissistic moments while in guy-mode. And yet, there are just times where getting all femme-ed up to look/feel pretty is all I think about. So really, all it depends on, for me, is whatever mood I'm in at the moment. I quite enjoy both the genders that reside in my brain.
- giggles - you're too funny Sherry :heehee:Quote:
Originally Posted by docrobbysherry
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Originally Posted by Stephenie S
Dear Doc (and all you others),
The FACT is that women come in ALL shapes and sizes, just like men. There are fat women, thin women, beautiful women, ugly women, handsome women, plain women, short women, tall women, women with broad shoulders, women with little boobs, women with narrow hips and no butt, and women with big hands and feet.
You are totally right. But when you have broad shoulders AND no boobs AND narrow hips AND no butt AND big hands and feet AND manly face AND adam apple AND deep voice AND big muscles, it's a bit different...
OK, sweetie. A bit different than what? Are you pressing me to get personal? 'Cause I will.
I am a tall women with broad shoulders, little boobies, no waist, no hip or butt, and big hands and feet. I do just fine, thank you very much. I resent the implication that I am somehow less a woman just because I don't look like Barbie. I do my best with what I got. I wear big shirts a lot to try and minimise the fact I have no junk in my trunk. I wear bosom revealing tops to try and emphasize what little I have up there. I NEVER wear heels as I have no desire to tower over others in the room. I do have rather masculine features. Can't do much about that now can I? I smile alot because that gives me a bit more pleasant aspect. I have a really good hair style. I am always well groomed.
I do my best with what I got, thank you. If you want to present to the world as a woman, you had best do the same instead of complaining about what you do have.
Lovies,
Stephenie
Stephenie,Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephenie S
Yes, I was getting personal. But about MYSELF. I have all these traits and that's just how I feel.
I'm not complaining. I'm accepting.
And so what if I were complaining? Can't I complain about what I have in this forum? If this were true, many threads would be already closed.
Tina has existed for just over 4 years. In all that time we never once thought about aesthetics. Ok ok Tina's gf thinks she has drop-dead gorgeous legs, and that's what precipitated Tina's arrival. However, the focus shifted quickly to the identification of a feminine self and a masculine self. The masculine self knows physically what he is but the feminine self needed to, effectively, go through the adolescence that all girls do in terms of socialization: i.e. how to "be" a girl. Part of that process IS physical as in clothes, makeup, hair, and comportment.
The goal was to learn to think about one's presentation to project the idea of "feminine". Part of that goal is focussing on changing how one takes care of one's face and learning about toner and moisturizer and primer and foundation and concealer and powder and rouge and the quagmire of eye makeup. All of this surely ties into the notion of "beauty" but the real goal is feminine. Given that, the comparison of "beauty" in the feminine sense, and "handsome" in the masculine sense isn't an issue.
at least for me :)
tina
Attractive male, unattractive male, attractive female (impersonator), "ugly woman". I have been all. Mostly it depends on how hard I want to work at it and usually I am lazy and I just do the least I need at that moment. But as I have said before if I am going out dressed I want to be noticed, sooooo I take the time. Which of course means I, like 90% of GG's, don't go all out just to go to the store or mow the lawn. It does not mean I feel any different. Somehow in my mind I always look pretty as a female and rather dull as a male. In either mode I can be like honey or vinegar.
But this is a good point on why I would not personally transition at my age. Looks are very important in the world for women. It is still a societal problem to look upon an older woman as not being attractive but ignore that men of the same age are far less attractive also (except when wrapped in a convertible) yet still hold some power. Look at the last year in the political world and the older men who somehow manipulated women into their lair. Most of the men were not drop dead gorgeous. Maybe it is perceived power. And maybe I am just enough XY to want the power. Of course there are exceptions to the above. Sophia Loren is still drop dead gorgeous.
Dear Petite,
Yes, you do have a right to complain. Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you did not.
I just feel that those characteristics should not become a stumbling block to presenting as a woman. It was the implication that I couldn't be a woman if I had all those "male" markers, which I do. I have them all, and I do just fine. In fact, a woman I work with has all those male markers PLUS problems with facial hair and SHE doen't ever worry about "passing".
I realize how you feel is truth to you, as it is to everyone. Sorry I got a bit grumpy there.
Lovies,
Stephenie
Don't worry Stephenie :hugs:
I understand that these topics are very personal for most of us.
And I actually don't imply that other girls with male traits can't pass or that they look bad. Maybe I'm harder on myself than with others, but some here look wonderful despite having evident masculine characteristics. It's just that when I see all these features on myself, I just don't look as girly as I used to feel once upon a time, and it has led me to stop dressing.
Maybe I used to live in the pink fog, and perhaps scrutinizing myself in the mirror dissipated it a bit. But again, it's just me :battingeyelashes:
I think you may be touching on the point of my post. You will NEVER look "girly". It just ain't gonna happen. But you CAN look WOMANLY. There is a difference.
Auntie Stephenie
I honestly like both. I have a manly side that I spend most of my day as: going to work, being a good husband, etc. But I also have that artistic, emotional, "weird" side of me that just wants to dress up as a woman and go nuts!
I went to a prom party single and dressed up, and LOVED it. I was the center of attention: everyone wanted a picture, guys came up to get photos grabbing my boobs, girls wanted to adjust my dress and hair, etc. I'm normally a shy guy, but for a night I got to go nuts and have fun.
I wouldn't do it all the time. My calm demeanor is good for most situations. But the opportunity to look, or even be, female for a short period of time is great. I wouldn't want to turn that away, even if I couldn't completely pass.
I dunno; I think I look damn good as a "femulator." And, oddly enough, it's given me some more confidence about my male appearance. As Veronica Moonlit likes to say, makeup has a magic all its own.
Because we're crossdressers?
I resemble that statement, except for the attractive man part. I do this because I really like the way it makes me feel, not necessarily the way it makes me look. Oh I do look in the mirror to make sure I've done as good a job as possible, given the resources and raw materials, but regardless of the result on the outside, my insides are happier.
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