Losing Male Privilege

My Sisters,
It has been so long since I posted anything of substance here. Missed you all with all my heart. I've been so busy, busy. I'm also growing and learning in my TG life and transition. But I had to share a piece of my new or renewed awareness.

I had to spend over 3 weeks without dressing up. I underdressed but nothing outwardly me. I was on travel east with The Wife to spend time at our new east coast residence and attend my nephew's wedding. Hurricane Flo complicated the mission but we are well. I was expected to be on my 'best behavior' and not flaunt my Ilene to those who did not know; which was most of our friends and family at our destination. (There will be time and a right moment for them to come.)

I ended up flying home (alone; my wife staying behind for a few days to help), in the 3 piece suit I wore to the wedding. It was a remarkable experience. I had not really donned a set of official guy clothes like a suit in a long time. It was kind of a jazzy feeling knowing that I really wanted to travel back home en femme (which I have done).

It was amazing how I was treated during the day. My travel day was flawless. The TSA went smoothly, though I had to remind the agent that I was wearing a bra under my suit, and that what set off the scanner. When I boarded with my low fare ticket and assigned seat in the rear of the plane, the flight attendant generously moved my seat forward to an aisle seat vice a middle seat. Service personnel seemed extra nice and generous. It all finally dawned on me when I stopped near home to replenish groceries. The clerk and bagger were all too eager to serve me, and addressed me as "Sir.." this and "Sir,..." that. All proper politeness and I appreciated it.

But it also dawned on me that they weren't honoring me. They were honoring The Suit. They were honoring the uniform. I know because I experienced the same thing in the military with my Navy uniform. Citizens respected the Uniform and what it represented, and the same was happening with my suit.

Now.... a normal guy, even a normal CD guy, might take such and experience and determine that "being a full-on guy " was pretty cool. The suit and the "male privilege" it embodies is a great tool to use in society. I need to wear more "man" clothes and fewer dresses. (LOL). It works.

But that's not what happened. When it dawned on me I thought, "Wow. That's kind of messed up. It's not me. It's the suit and it's being a guy." It made me realized the kind of on-going status and mental state in which women exist. I got it.

INCIDENT # 2 was different but the same lesson in shedding my male privilege.

I was on a long exercise bike ride on a trail that follows a local river. A nice ride with a lot of solitude. I was wearing some pretty outlandish bike clothes; patterned leggings, a blue shirt and sports bra, earrings and I put on lipstick for good measure.

I made a brief stop at a remote rest stop near the river's edge to take a few selfies. In the middle of it I was suddenly approached by 2 pretty rough looking guys out of nowhere. (I assume a parking lot nearby). But here I was, kind of dolled up and looking strange, alone and in the middle of almost nowhere. And like I said, these guys had all the appearance of a pair that were up to no good.

Normally, all 6'3" and 215 lb of my old male frame would have been alerted to prepare for possible combat. To paraphrase Gen Mattis, ".. be polite but have a plan to kill everyone you meet." I would have been thinking of how I could take on Man #1 and quickly dispatch him while using his as a shield against Possible Attacker #2,.... etc.

But I didn't think that. I suddenly thought how VULNERABLE I was; How I was at risk now because I was TG or made an effeminate public presentation. I felt more "Oh shit" than I felt the need to spring into action. I was suddenly and again aware of how it must feel to be a woman who feels that same vulnerability every time they do something routine in life. Go for a jog or bike ride. Go shopping. Go alone to a restaurant or bar, or through a parking lot....... and always understand that you're a target because of being a woman.

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Me on the bike trail in blue

^this. Someone who finally 'gets it'. Only I wear my male privilege and take it, because of all the hardship I've endured over the years. Call it Karma or whatever. I call it, taking the good, with the bad. It may not all even out in the end, but at least, it's something.

Now I'm going to go get a bottle of whiskey off of the top shelf, 8' up, no stool, ladder or stretching needed. That's a bit of an advantage that I will accept, too. Other big & tall crossdressers (especially those of us with giant size feet, hands, etc), know what I mean.

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Originally Posted by IleneD

But I didn't think that. I suddenly thought how VULNERABLE I was; How I was at risk now because I was TG or made an effeminate public presentation. I felt more "Oh shit" than I felt the need to spring into action. I was suddenly and again aware of how it must feel to be a woman who feels that same vulnerability every time they do something routine in life. Go for a jog or bike ride. Go shopping. Go alone to a restaurant or bar, or through a parking lot....... and always understand that you're a target because of being a woman.

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Ilene, what a lovely and thoughtfully written piece. I don't know if this is the first time that this has hit you so forcefully but it's grat that it has. I particularly like your conclusion which I've quoted above where you describe how you know that women are vulnerable, simply because they are women. And you're correct in your conclusion it's not right, in fact it's right wrong.

What you have posted here is a line that I've been trying to get across for a while now, that we, as cross dressers, are in a place where we should be able to appreciate that in the real lives of real women (and, yes, I include trans women in this, and I also appreciate that trans women have additional problems too), they are greatly disadvantaged and made more vulnerable, simply because they are women.

I hope many others read your piece and take this message from it. Well done and all the best.

I feel that vulnerability this way when I am in femme mode: I am not as tense or combat ready, so I have a disadvantage. I also feel angry that predators exist. I calculate my defense differently, less physical brute force and more deft and cunning.

I am aware of male privilege, and it has helped me to moderate it more consciously when working with women, which I am doing now in my volunteer work. In the absence of predators it feels more like giving up male privilege than losing it, since no one really wants me to have male privilege! But I am very happy for the sense of equality, which women tend to project to each other if they are of cooperative nature.

Giving up male privilege has a side effect which cuts two ways- it is important to give it up when crossdressing, and to enter into the feeling of being second class, or it seems to others I am just taking all the male and female privileges. On the other hand I feel that giving it up strengthens and opens the way for women around me who normally. would not act freely expecting my male privilege taking to be an obstacle. And I feel that earns me the right, so to speak, to enjoy the pluses and minuses of women's wear.

All this leads me to expect convergence of male and female privilege and responsibility at some point, and the whole stimulus for crossdressing and genderqueer to disappear. Unfortunately it looks like the very success we have had has threatened enough people that the adverse political forces are activated to roll back our freedom.

Ilene, you have nailed it. Not much to say really other than what a shame all men can't wake up to the same realisation.

Interestingly, only this morning the news here in the UK was about a 9 month long study by a committee of MPs into routine day to day harrasment of women and girls. Their conclusion was that harrasment (sexual or not) was so regular, so routine and common place that by the time a girl had reached adulthood they considered it essentially a normal part of life as a woman. Their next conclusion was that no-one seems to be doing very much to change the status quo. It dismayed me no end BUT I was glad to be reading about it, afterall, you have to raise awareness before you can start to make changes.

Best thread this week Ilene :)

Adding on to what Daisy has said at #5, female council workers in Glasgow have gone on a 48 hour strike as they have been routinely paid less than equivalent male workers for decades. A recent similar dispute in Birmingham (West Midlands, UK, not Alabama, US) cost the local authority over £!bn to settle. If only they'd paid them the correct amount originally.

Also, Ilene, what is a real shame in that you had to experience this first hand to fully realise what was happening here. It's great that you saw it and recognised it, but a shame nonetheless. One of the biggest problems in getting this sorted out once and for all is that most men don't listen to what most women are saying. My hope is that we in the cross dressing and transgender community, having more of an affinity with all things womanly, would have an affinity with this too. What Ilene's thread has thrown in to sharp focus is that there is far more to being a woman in the modern word than wearing nice clothes.

Sounds more like using male privilege to me!
and what for the Female privilege?

I also doubt whether there is any honour given to the clothing which you wear, social status more likely! which also needs to end!

An instructive couple of experiences, for sure. The contrast between them is so amazing and so important. It certainly shows how this society is still so profoundly male dominated. But it also shows us all why it is important to be careful about what we do in which form of expression. From what I have learned from others it appears that some CD's and TG's fail to realize that going out in femme is not being a male in women's clothes and then going places where no sane woman would go and subsequently getting in difficult and dangerous situations. Your bike ride during the day should not have been that way and yet the situation still appeared out of nowhere. Thanks for sharing your experience; they are certainly instructive. In so many ways.

Ilene, I have started writing three replies to this post since 6:00AM. I have not posted because what I have written would just come across as angry. I will just say that I despise the term "privilege" as relates to gender. I cannot refute anything you have said, I just wish a different term had been used.

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Originally Posted by Charlotte7

Also, Ilene, what is a real shame in that you had to experience this first hand to fully realise what was happening here.

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Very true Charlotte. The first time I ever left the house as the 'full Daisy' I was dressed quite conservatively (all be it with a blonde wig) but I was a little shaken by the fact that the very first person that my wife and I came across stared at me and looked me up and down in great detail. I said "oh well, so much for passing" but my wife just laughed and said "that's just some bloke deciding if he wants to screw you, welcome to my world". Sure enough it happened three more times and all three were from single middle aged men. None of the older, younger or female members of the poublic gave me a second glance. My wife was right, I was being sexually objectified and when I got home I remember saying all young men should have to go on a transformation day where they get the full works followed by being sent out in the world so they can experience it first hand. Some may well change their attitude as a result. I no longer use the wig :)

And Some Just Never Get IT!

Ilene ,
You have experienced first hand the power of a uniform , it carries rank and certain privileges and respect .

In my thirty years of being a self employed photographer I always wore a suit to photograph the weddings , I did it in respect for my clients and I received respect in return . This can work equally as well for women , I still remember my first in a passenger plane , it was on my honeymoon and we flew British Caledonian , the hostesses look stunning in their tartan uniforms , not only that it was the time when they had a great deal of respect . How things move on now we have budget airlines .

While I'm not a big guy I did face some tricky and scarey situations in my photography days and learned to deal with them , some wedding venues were held in tough no go areas . So far I've not had to deal with a tricky situation dressed , staying safe does take on a slightly different meaning and wearing appropriate clothes for the situation .

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Originally Posted by IleneD

I made a brief stop at a remote rest stop near the river's edge to take a few selfies. In the middle of it I was suddenly approached by 2 pretty rough looking guys out of nowhere.

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How did that encounter go?

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Ilene ,
You have experienced first hand the power of a uniform , it carries rank and certain privileges and respect .

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It is the disillusionment of the uniform which brings one undone, the uniform means nothing!

I agree that males seem to get more respect from other males than GG do from other males. On the other hand I also have seen and experienced that the more beauty a GG girl possesses the more attention she gets. I've seen store clerks run over each other to wait on a beautiful GG shopper. Are they trying to impress her or get to know her thinking they might have a shot with her? I fediantly would not pass in the beauty department as a woman, thus I would probably be more susceptible to being scrutinized and probably laughed at than a true GG. I know a couple of GG that are far more tough than most guys. They are beautiful girls and I can bet could whip 50% of the men. They are tough and work with their dad on a ranch where they mend barb wire fences and break young colts to ride. When they clean up though they are beauties and love to be women and for the guys to treat them nice. I think the privilege thing works both ways. Beauty gets its own privileges.

Jamie, (#9), the correct word is patriarchy, what Ilene experienced was the patriarchy in action.

Whether we like it, or not, people are respecters of outward appearances. As the old expression goes, the clothes make the man! Well dressed people get better treatment than those who are shabby dressed. Where the problem with women comes into it, is with males who are on the prowl and lear at anything in a skirt! If you don't believe me, take the test. Go out dressed in your best suit, neatly groomed and see the difference to the next day when you go back to the same place in jeans and t-shirt. The same test can be taken if you go in feminine attire also, for those who pass well, try the sexy look too.

In a patriarchy based society a non-conforming male who dresses feminine confuses others by not aspiring to the perceived apex of that society.

Always Shave,

I completely understand your 'irritation' with the term "male privilege". I don't like it either and it's become more of a political weapon than a social statement. I almost hated to use it myself, except that in these instances I was seeing it in action; or at least seeing my own femme self in a different veil.
Thanks. No anger or offense taken. I know of what you speak.

I'm a GG and also in the tall range for a woman. You're 6'2". I'm 5'9" barefoot, 6' in heels. I'd like to add that tall people also are treated with more respect, regardless of gender. I was successful working in a predominately male line of work precisely because of my height. And like you, I've noticed that when I dress for power (a suit or other signs of wealth such as well-tailored and expensive clothing, jewelry, watch, etc), I also am treated differently than if I am dressed casually or frivolously.

So it's not just the suit ... or the gender. Factors that influence how well people are treated are height, scale of attractiveness (there are studies), and signs of wealth and education.

One thing I don't get. Why would you be able to protect yourself against 2 guys if you were wearing guy jeans but not girl leggings. Aren't your physical strength and fighting skills the same no matter what you wear?

Reine makes a good point the clothes have nothing to do with being able to defend yourself if need be.
I find people saying they are more vulnerable CDing kind of iffy and maybe they like the feeling or have a fetish for that kind of thinking.
Personally I have had to defend myself enfemme and I was more than able to wreak havoc on the fellow.
Patriarchy and male privilege are just current buzz words used to demean men and I find that abhorrent.
I have never had one instance in my life where me being male made any difference and quite possibly hindered me in some ways.
I have made an effort to look for male privilege out in public but I see men constantly being made fun of on TV and the internet portrayed as bumbling fools,women making fun of them at the malls, feminist rallies where men are said to be the worst thing on the planet.
I don't buy into all that stuff and IF there is actual male privilege in this day and age I sure as heck don't see it.
Women seem to get a pass on many things and are held in higher esteem than men in many ways too.
For many men their wives run the show and they just follow along like sheep so patriarchy what is that exactly?

PS just my opinion and I am allowed to voice how I feel but I'm not going to argue with anyone over it if they get triggered.

The bottom line is "Dress for Success" male or female you will be treated how you are perceived.:brolleyes: ………………………….Debra

In 1989, my "male privilege" lost me a good government job, because i got a better test score, than a female did, so sh got the job instead of me. Later on, she got fired because she gained much weight, and could not do the physical work anymore. It goes both ways. There is some male privilege, but more and more, it is "female privilege".

I think anyone who doesn't acknowledge that men enjoy much more privilege (or whatever you want to call it) isn't opening their eyes to what is going on around them. The objectification of women is rife. It is everywhere, all the time. The only disadvantage we have is that we are more restricted in what we can wear without frightening the horses. The world is run by men and women are allowed if they are attractive, young and well-dressed. Women are paid less in may lines of work. I would not have achieved so much in my life if I had been a woman because there would have been more barriers.

I once went to a party in a dress - not as a woman - I just made token attempts in that direction. I was amazed at the change in the way women treated me - you don't realise how your gender governs interpersonal behaviour until that switches off. Admittedly since then with more sophisticated female presentation I have never again encountered this - women who know I am male still flirt with me. The reason I do not come out as a crossdresser is that I fear losing the male privilege - THAT is how real and important it is. My friends would still be my friends and I would keep my job but professionally and in the community something would be missing - and it would be something I would miss terribly.

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Originally Posted by ReineD

One thing I don't get. Why would you be able to protect yourself against 2 guys if you were wearing guy jeans but not girl leggings. Aren't your physical strength and fighting skills the same no matter what you wear?

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Reine,

Always I love and respect your input to heartfelt questions and issues. What you ask is a good question.

First, I was in a completely femme mode, even if it was athletic attire. Since I don't pass except upon distant review, I didn't know what kind of negative attention the sight of a "man in girl's clothing" may draw.

Second, I think back to days when I was still more socialized as a man, or at least the version of a man I was acting out. "Back then" my radars would have been lit up early and a plan of fight or flight would be churning in my mind JUST BECAUSE it was a couple bad looking dudes. Part of it is the old fighter pilot in me too.

And yes, I am still packing 75 inches and 215 lbs of muscle and bone. Once under the influence of adrenaline, that chassis has not often failed.

But my first instinct was not "prepare for possible combat (even if it never happened)" No. My first instinct was "What am I doing here alone. I am vulnerable and very much at risk, probably because of my appearance." It wasn't fear as much as a realization. It took me a while to even think of self defense if these guys wanted something. I also identified that experience as one that a GG might have on any given day.

My mind is changing. The more I pursue this transgender life of mine, the more counseling and learning I acquire, the more my mind's pathways change. I think things, believe things now I never would have imagined flowing through my brain as I've embraced a more feminized life. Emotions. Attitudes. All changing for the better.

On the suit thing, I always attended horse racing meetings in a suit and tie, I could go just about anywhere without challenge.

Dressed as a female I often go unchallenged because people recognise a cross dresser and do not want to create a scene.

I often pass well and still little challenge.

I do get to interact with women more regularly when I am well dressed and pass.

Ilene. There has been much talk of dressing for success and still being physically capable of defending yourself whatever the clothing choice but I think those replies are missing the point. Correct me if I am wrong but is it simply the case that had you encountered the same men at the same time when en homme you would not have perceieved there to be any risk regardless of whether you were dressed smart or casual or whether you were 5' 5" or 6' 3" tall, but, dressed as you were you automatically percieved there to be a threat (be it from misogynistic or transphobic attitudes) regardless of whether there was one? Furthermore it is this perceived threat that some women can encounter almost daily whereas men encounter it very rarely. As a male I have found myself in that situation only about twice in 54 years but as a female there are many places I would not go for fear of putting myself at risk due to not being male. That is a privilege that most men take for granted simply because they have not experienced life as a female first hand. Many here on this forum are, of course, more knowledgeable on such matters.

I don't think their feeling of vulnerability is remotely as strong as we experience nor does it exist in all women. Women do after all get more experience with their gender in social situations and lots of them could still be naive to how "dangerous" the world is so they have no anxiety. It depends on where they live too.

Tracii G, Is your post just more of the male bashing your post refers to? JK

I think it is more, the grass always looks greener from across the street. There are obstacles that women encounter more often than men and there are obstacles men encounter more often than women.

Ilene, Not being a fighter, I can relate to how you had a different initial thought/reaction to the possible threat and added feeling of vulnerability. My guess is that had this encounter turned bad, your training would have made the outcome be greatly in your favor! Glad you didn't need to find out if I would have been right.

Your suit wearing experience I think shows how ones outward appearance has a strong influence as to how others interact with us. If that appearance triggers feelings of respect good will some that persons way. If it triggers feeling of disrespect (military uniforms during after Vietnam) the opposite will likely occur.

Society is always changing in these regards.

Great post!

No Sara I was defending men not bashing them like so many do these days.

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Originally Posted by ReineD

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So it's not just the suit ... or the gender. Factors that influence how well people are treated are height, scale of attractiveness (there are studies), and signs of wealth and education. . . .

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My late wife was short, overweight and Hispanic. There were so many times where she would stand at a counter waiting for a clerk to choose the next person to assist and be ignored in favor of others arriving later but looking different. A couple of times I, a 6'1" white guy, walked up behind her at the counter and got immediate attention. I thought if I'd been wearing a suit they might have left the counter to come out on the sales floor to help me before assisting her.

I don't know the reasons and won't guess what was in the other person's mind. But it was a real and repeated scene.

I haven't heard anyone say it but women are also smart, capable, strong, and confident.

That they are Kimberly some even box and are bad asses.
The whole notion that women are the weaker sex, looked down on or paid less than men, considered second class citizens seems to be coming from people that are using women for their political gain.
Women can fly jets, fight in combat, be high ranking military officers and no one is stopping them.
I have seen women driving big trucks and doing other jobs that are always considered male jobs no one stopped them.
So who is it that is holding women back?
What group is it that sets up these womens marches? makes the signs and the slogans to chant and tells them they can't do whatever it is they want to do?
So who is holding women back and profiting off them? Give it some thought.


PS Just something to think about using good old common sense and looking deeper than the surface.
If you get triggered well I'm sorry so don't start calling me names for voicing my opinion. As always I'm not going to argue with you and call you names because we may not agree because you have every right to have your own opinion but you need to realize everyone doesn't have to agree with you.

Ilene

Your encounters provide an interesting and personal illustration of the real position of men in society, and how this does affect women on a day to day basis.

As a genetic male I have surely benefitted from male privilege, not by going out to take advantage of women but because the system has always been stacked against women, and still is. Women have had to fight for the right to vote, the right to enter government, the right to equal pay and so much more, and I have great respect for those that continue to make themselves heard, whether it's on a womens' march campaigning for equal respect and opportities, or having the courage to speak out about routine sexual abuse, which is overwhelmingly committed by men.

A recent thread explored the idea that dressing as women gave us greater insights into the position of women in society, and I'd like to think it does, but it's certainly not necessary in order to look carefully and see the many ways they are continually disadvantaged.

Pointing this out is not attacking men and I don't believe men face discrimination. As I heard recently: "When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression ".

Rachel

Good points well made Rachel. This thread should also be read in conjunction with Jess' thread (https://www.crossdressers.com/forums...-by-creepy-men). What we have here are two examples where people felt threatened by men, and yes, this is something that GG have to face every time that they go out. Male privilege does exist in our patriarchal society even though some wilfully refuse to see what is right in front of their closed eyes. Actually, such behaviour, we've all seen it, you know, stamping of feet, eyes shut, fingers in the ears, screaming at the top of the voice, refusing to eat one's greens, well, that kind of behaviour should stay in the kindergarten.

from age 10 to age 18 i lived in an area where i was by far the smartest kid, in all the school years, and i would be ganged-up on by tens of kids at a time. i learned to be hyper-aware, to run fast, to take safer routes, to avoid dangerous places, to be super-checking dangerous males.

Now being 100% as a woman, going out, but in a safer town/local world, having lost considerable muscle mass the last 9 months since I stopped generating testosterone, I am vulnerable again, but I don't feel as vulnerable as I did back in school.

The biggest, toughest guy at college was beaten to a pulp by a gang of smaller guys, so were many students beaten up by local gangs. This was in my life until my early 20's. I have to say, in these towns back then, the violence was male on male.

Where I then worked for 20 years, was an industry with too few women, but they were prized, treated equally financially - and I know this because I once took over the entire pay review and conducted a thorough assessment of pay versus capability, and we had female senior managers promoted on competence. I appreciate this is a rare counter-example., but remember there is also a "women's club".

I find people are friendlier to me now, than when I was presenting as a male. I'm also being included in the biggest, life and world-changing project I've yet experienced in my life, working with top people, worldwide. Perhaps because of my intellect, emapthy and beingness, I am being treated as an equal by males and females in this project, and there are actually, more women involved than men so far.

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Originally Posted by IleneD

My mind is changing. The more I pursue this transgender life of mine, the more counseling and learning I acquire, the more my mind's pathways change. I think things, believe things now I never would have imagined flowing through my brain as I've embraced a more feminized life. Emotions. Attitudes. All changing for the better.

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That's wonderful! It's a pity that the mothers of our generation were not able to teach their boys to welcome sensitivity and emotion, and their girls gain the grit to be self-sufficient, as I and mothers of my generation did with our children. I think it's wonderful to see the younger generation ridding themselves of all the old barriers between the genders.

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Originally Posted by Sarah Charles

A couple of times I, a 6'1" white guy, walked up behind her at the counter and got immediate attention.

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There's no doubt that tall, attractive, confidant, (and sadly in our culture right now also if they have the "right" ethnicity), get more attention than those who don't have those assets. My point was that it has less to do with gender and more to do with other factors. One doesn't have to be a man in order to command attention. Not any more.

You were probably treated well on the plane not because you were male, but because of the way you were dressed and they assumed you were a business traveler. Airlines will treat them well because they are good customers versus someone who is dressed for vacation and might fly once a year..

As for the two guys looking shady, it is good to think twice before engaging regardless of gender. If it isn't an emergency, call the cops. Even if one is a martial arts expert, there are two of them, and how do you know they are not armed?

An interesting thread but I do wonder about the widespread use of male privilege as if this explains everything.
I travel a lot internationally and my observations for what they are worth are that "privilege", if that is the right word, is given for many different reasons. Well-dressed and well-groomed people of both sexes seem to be treated well but attitude and behavior also matters.

I well remember the day I was at the ticket counter for a much delayed and overcrowded flight. People in suits and people in jeans as well as those in skirts were all tending to behave badly and demand and bluster and threaten. The poor berated airline employee was doing her best but was being beaten down by all of the nasty ill tempered behavior. When it was my turn I told her that I was really sorry seeing her having to take such abuse for something that was not her fault. Before I went to college I worked as a bus conductor and saw how awful and nasty some members of the public can be. I knew very well what she was going through and how she was feeling.

When I received my new ticket it was for a first class seat.

I am still uncertain of what happened to Ilene. I have been in similar situations when in male mode and have felt just as concerned and "threatened" as Ilene did in her encounter. As an older person I perceive I am more vulnerable also.

Certainly many people are treated differently in public encounters but it is not simple down to male versus female. I have seen some males cower in front of strong confident females and also seen many males treated disdainfully by both sexes.

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Originally Posted by KimberlyJean

I haven't heard anyone say it but women are also smart, capable, strong, and confident.

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Amen, Kimberly. The women in my family are all well educated or currently enrolled in college. All hold well paying jobs. All are married to well educated men. When it comes to whether the suit is being honored rather than the person wearing it, whether a man's suit or a woman's suit, the suit may get you in the door. Once you open your mouth the truth will flow forth. If you're an idiot the suit will not help, whether a female or a male. The only men and women I've known who can get away appearing sloppy are those who own the company.

I worked in a professional office. I worked across the table from business men and women, attorneys, certified public accountants. I dressed professionally as a matter of respect for those people. I also deemed it respect for myself. There were managers in the office who wore what can be best described as beach attire or gym attire. Totally disrespectful to those we served, which in turn did not earn respect for themselves. Yes, sometimes I was mistaken for the office manager. That should have been a clue for those dressed unprofessionally. Now on the weekends, when appropriate, I can really look like a slob.

I like to relate stories. Early in my career I had a multi millionaire home builder as a client across the table. In from the field in work clothes and boots, dirt under the nails, and, accompanied by his certified public accountant. He was professionally addressed. I easily recognized his work ethic. His status. On the other hand it related his story when he stopped at his bank and was totally ignored. He was properly thought to be a downtown homeless person. Well, when he finally had to say who he was everyone at the bank dropped everything and fawned over him. He could not stand they way they were to a person deemed unworthy of a kind inquiry. He immediately closed out all his seven figure bank accounts. Just don't let the clothes go to your head.

A comment was made by Sarah (#30) that others were ignored in favor of others coming after. That also happened frequently when out and about. I nipped that in the bud with carefully pointing out that the child or other person was waiting before me.



Yes, as so