Jealousy, I think...

Hello everyone. (This post is going to be me trying to unload some "stuff" that I think has been festering in the back of m'head for a while. If this is of not of interest for you, please feel free to bypass this spammy-sort-of post.) 😉




I am quite enjoying the myriad different posts and topics in this forum....wish I'd found you girls ages ago.
I confess to feeling quite "low" today, and from what I have read in other threads, this might be the place I can unload, somewhat.

Have any of you ever felt envious of the GG's that surround you in daily life? Seeing the girls wandering about in the clothing that has been designed for their curvy physionomy? .... then getting this very deep gut-punch as your brain stops admiring and starts seeing just how not-femine your genetic original form is...nascent jealousy that every little girl going through her growing up phases will eventually have such a beautiful form...

I go through times like this, now and again.
Once, when stresses from work were quite overwhelming, I stood in the parking lot, beside the open door to my truck, and suddenly started silently crying into the night sky. The only words I could articulate at that very alone moment was: "Sometimes, I just want to be pretty..."

Discovering that CD'ing was an option for me was, dare I say, a true life saver for me... even though my journey of self-discovery remains very private and only at its beginning steps...

Sigh...didn't mean for this to be a core dump... i hope that i have not triggered or offended anyone.

(Feels a little lighter inside, having typed this out.)

Jenny

I have envied women almost every day of my life, Jenny! Or at least 25/30ths of the time (I am a wuss when it comes to pain! Lol). So you are not alone.

Hi Jenny,
I think all of us have had that feeling on many occasions. For me, I know how pretty I feel when all dolled up and that honestly makes me see other CDers to be very pretty & sexy for that matter.
Feeling pretty makes you smile & smiling makes you pretty! Reading your story makes me realize none of us, CDers or not, feel flawless or as good looking as the next person & that?s where I?d say if I were there that you are beautiful & sexy,!
The right person always finds you to be perfect no matter your self seen flaws.

Jenny you are definitely not alone in those feelings. For myself I am a straight man that is comfortable in my man skin. Yet I still have days when the pink fog rolls and I just got to put on my femme. It can be triggered just looking at a women in a pretty dress. Happened to me today. Was talking about circle skirts my friend says she bought one on amazon. So I go look to see what I can find. Boom fog alert. I found a skirt with some lacey details along the hem.
So please don't feel bad having those feelings we all get them.

Sometimes I just want to be pretty as well. I guess that is what makes some of us simple crossdressers , those who are comfortable in both worlds but have a unique desire to test the waters of being en femme.

I suspect just about everyone who crossdresses takes a keen notice of women. I am not jealous in any way but sometimes I do think - gee if I could only look like that!

Sandi

Pretty sure that half the women on the dance floor are envious of you, Sandi! The girl with the most expensive boobs there! Lol.

I have never felt jealous of the females I admire. I simply copy their looks as best I can. And, if you've seen any of my pix? I hope you'll agree I'm a pretty good female impersonator for a 75+ year old man!:battingeyelashes:

The only women I can't imitate is those skinny, long necked, model types! But, even they don't make me jealous. Just frustrated!:doh:

My own feelings are more in alignment with yours doc...I too try to copy the looks of the women I admire. Its not envy or jealousy, but rather imitation - the sincerest form of flattery. It can be an actress, TV personality, or someone I know (my wife included!) I just want to create as best I can that look given the "canvas" I am working with - myself! I don't get frustrated though - I'm having WAY too much fun to let any negativity get in the way of that!

I just have to watch myself though - often I find myself studying women - their makeup, how their clothes fit, their walk etc., so I might try it myself. Pleasurable, but folks could get the wrong idea!

I'm not at all jealous of women - the pretty ones or the not so pretty ones. I do believe they've gotten the better end of the deal when it comes to looks. If they don't have naturally attractive features on the outside, they can use makeup and padding and cosmetic surgery to fool the world however much they would like. Guys pretty much just get to show the world the hand they were dealt. Other than maintaining a fit physique, there isn't a lot men can do that is acceptable to society in general. About the only thing I can think of is wearing a toupee. Yes, guys can have cosmetic surgery; but, most never do.

When I am wearing my dresses and/or my lingerie, I don't know that I feel pretty. I'd say I simply feel prettier than I do in drab mode. I feel softer and a bit more vulnerable and I love those feelings. After almost 77 years, I'm just plain tired of always having to be the person that others lean on, the person expected to resolve problems, the person expected to take charge. I want to feel as though I am the more delicate person that gets to depend on others and lean on others, if only in my fantasies.

Jenny,

There are a lot of ladies here who do not have a perfect female figure but they make themselves look very pretty nonetheless. I myself don't envy women but have always admired how they look and try my best to emulate them.

Very envious of the pretty ones. Not of the rest. There's some meaning there I think. Not sure what.

Hi Jenny. Not jealous of women . But often feel the way you do. Like Heather pointed out. I get tired and fed up living up to everyone elses expectations of me as a man. CD is an escape and stress relief from the trials and tribulations of everyday life. Its also great fun.

I think my perspective is a lot like others here. I emulate women rather than envy them. Of course, I would prefer that my physical attributes made emulation easier, but I made do with what I have. I suspect that a lot of women out in the world feel the same, in that they would like to be a little taller, slimmer, more buxom?etc.

I think a lot varies from person to person and what drives them individually to pursue dressing. Personally I do admire a nice looking woman and want to imitate them, but there is also a feeling of wishing I could be her. Is it jealousy or desire, you could call it either. The difference is for ME I want to be female, not just pretend. I've pretty well lost my chance to transition so I have to accept life as it is. Pretending and emulating them is the best I'll have.
Roxie

Like others I attempt to emulate women as closely as possible. But there are times I am truly envious of women. For example, some times I am envious that I don't have breasts.

I envied women. I wish I had a nice ser. So a bra fits right. Have something to actually hold up. Something that just looks right. With out all the messing around To just slip it on and done

For me, jealousy is definitely too strong of a word; envy is a bit closer. But I do pay attention to the style they use depending on their body shape and how easily they seem to be able to create an attractive look even though the framework is not close to the idealized shape which is not really all that common. As an NB male with a far less than ideal shape to work with the challenge is to make that look a bit better than it is. Many of the girls here do an excellent job of doing that but others not so much. I see the same pattern in the GG's. So it should be equalized. But it is not. Women seem to have a special talent in the ability to look nice no matter what. Or maybe it is just my perception. So a bit of envy does creep into my thinking but mostly it is emulation of those that are shaped more like me so I can look more like them. A curious phenomenon, for sure. Imitation can be a powerful complement.

I am jealous also. I am envious also. When I see an attractive woman, I am jealous and envious that I cannot wear what she wears in public, that I cannot look as good as she does. Wish I could be an attractive, well dressed woman.

I'm only jealous of women in a way that women were jealous of men when they couldn't wear pants without fear of being arrested or censored. Women have their own set of problems unique to their genetic gender. I have too many GG family member who have suffered for years with crushing pain and others who've been raped or otherwise assaulted.

I'm jealous of the variety of choices that women have. I'm jealous of the options to embellish with jewelry and accessories. I'm jealous of painted toenails (but, oddly not jealous of painted fingernails). I like my male body but would love to have a more toned physique.

I wouldn't call it jealousy but, envious for sure. Mostly due to the amount of work I have to go through to present, somewhat, as female. There is no way I could just throw on some clothes and look feminine without body shapers, wigs, and makeup.

When the body hit 75 I realized the vast majority of my years on earth are in the past. Looking into a mirror is reality. When I look at younger people of varying ages I reflect upon where I have been. It's a rare occurrence these days to see a woman who is attired as I would like to be. Women in pretty dresses, let alone having a form I would like to have if I were a woman are a rarity. There must be some conspiracy among the local television station to hire curvy female weather forecasters, who, it seems, must wear form fitting dresses. They please my eyes. There is also Vanna White of Wheel of Fortune who is 65 years old. I am totally hooked on watching her strut in front of the puzzle board in a dress and heels. If I am envious of a woman for her form, it is Vanna White. She is closest to my age and I definitely would love to look like her as a senior.

I sigh, in a wistful, longing sort of way and try to make do with what I have.

As far as wishful thinking goes, I just wish I didn't live in such a reactionary, uptight sort of world.

Absolutely! I think we deal with a form of dysphoria one way or another. I am extremely envious of femininity and the female image. I just wish I could be them in their daily lives.

I also wouldn't call it jealousy but, envious. To be able to wear what you want, when you want, and where you want, within reason. At this time of year in the northern mid-west, women are wearing what I want to wear out in public without having to get made up. I want to go about my daily business or chores in sundresses, miniskirts with a tank top or camisole or sleeveless blouse wearing strappy sandles or heels as I please in public without any stigma or worries about what others might think. This is why I am most envious of women...they can do it.

Absolutely, I admit to female envy. If it weren?t for familial and societal consequences, and the fact that I have a large male body frame and voice, I would opt for procedures (hormones and surgery) that would give me breasts and swap out my male equipment. I not only envy the clothes, but the bodies. Nancy

Another vote for extreme envy, just love the thought of what it would be like to be a woman ............................Debra

What a great topic and all the responses seem heartfelt. I probably spend too much time observing the GG's with envy and in my lowest moments I am actually very jealous. I think I gravitated to my first girlfriend because she was a lot of what I envy, very pretty, curvy, sexy clothes, and overly friendly. During the two years we were together she got so much attention from the boys/men, they hit on her hard with everything, drugs, trips, money and sex. Most guys have to work hard to attract a woman, but some women have to work hard to fend the guys off. My inner girl was and still is so jealous of that inequity. I still practice I few womanly habits I picked up from her and I am always on the look out for new ideas on clothes, shoes and makeup from the women I come across.
Traci

Okay, you girls are all simply lovely, ya know that, right?

If I ever meet any of you RL, you are getting a big hug from me.

:love:

If I'm honest with myself I'm mostly envious of the end results in the LOOK of a woman but I also recognise that those results are themselves down to a lot of effort.
e.g. a good skincare regime, taking care of their hair, making sure they eat & drink less than a male partner if they are smaller.

Until recently most of my dressing is just focused on the clothes & I'm easily frustrated when I buy something new & then I can't look anything like the model.
Lesson learned for me is you have to do the work to look good.


I'm 'just' a Cross-dresser so although I may try to empathize with GG's including my wife, I can never truly understand what it means to BE a woman including their emotions & how their bodies feel to them.

Hi Jenny Welcome to our Forum, When you are here , You are Home,

Any questions that you have at least one or more of us will Probably have an answer for you,

Your story could fit so many of us, >Orchid**O:daydreaming:O**

Jenny, the way you explain it, these words ("I just want to feel pretty"), uttered in a moment when your work was stressing you, may lead to two interpretations:
- You were overwhelmed, and imagined that, had you been a woman, you wouldn't have to deal with that much pressure
- You were overwhelmed, and imagining being a girl, looking like one, was the escapism you needed to relieve some of the pressure
It goes without saying that women have their share of problems and pressure to deal with, so the first explanation would build from false premises.
Assuming the second is closer to your situation, you seem to be wanting out of your male condition (the job, the male body), so there seems to be an element of gender dysphoria there. If this is a recurring pattern and it makes you feel miserable, you may want to talk to a specialist about it.
I too can sometimes fancy being some woman I saw who impressed me, in real life or in fictional works, for one or more reasons (beauty, looks, class, poise, outfit, anything). I experienced this since I was 11 or so and it started my crossdressing story. Wanting to have the same outfit, the same body, long hair, breast, curvy waist and thighs... but just for a moment, to live the physical experience, but not to live the life, not to be in her mind or feel all her inner sensations. Just make a trip inside what is more an allegory of a woman, a quintessence of femininity as seen by the eye and mind of a cis male. This was (and is) a fantasy born from my love of the female body and wardrobe. For this reason, if I ever had the chance to live such an experience, I'd need to transplant my het crossdresser mind into that female body, since this would be the only way to enjoy the experience. Otherwise, if I somehow switched to that female brain too, I would end up being not excited a bit about what I'd see and feel. My hair would get on my nerves on a windy day, my boobs would make me sweat in that hot summer, the bra would be the first thing I'd long to take off, and that wrong sized pantyhose constantly riding down
would drive me crazy. Unlike women, I'm sure many crossdressers will crave experiencing these things.
This is the paradox for crossdressers like me for whom the thing is only a fantasy: if our wish to become a girl ever got granted in full, we would carry on our life as a girl, and that would be it. No magic, no extraordinary experience.
All the mythical aspect of being a girl would only work for us if that magical transformation was very selective and incomplete. Just the enveloppe of a girl so to speak, and our crossdresser's mind transplanted in it so we could count our blessings (see here for a good example).
Again, speaking for my own type of fantasy, your situation may be different.

I put in a lot of work with diet and exercise that allows me to look good in clothes designed for thin Juniors.
As well as wearing a wide brimmed hat and wearing sunscreen when I'm out in the sun.

I've read a blog on how a girl went on a diet to get rid of her muffin top for one special occasion. I can wear clothes like that all the time!

Mariuon

I'm sure most everyone would love to be a little " ..... " (add your own here). Even most women, especially with all this social media pressure today.
I am not envious or jealous, I simply wish to join the parade.

As for things I would have liked ... well, I wish I had experienced puberty as a girl. That is something we will never know.

When I look at another woman I see her style. I might covet her dress or shoes or figure, but I don't feel envy or jealousy. I don't want to be anyone but me - a more feminine me, with all my flaws erased, but still me. What I feel is regret - that when I was young (sigh) I didn't have a clue. What I might have done if I had known then what I know now. I never considered all the possibilities. My evolution has taken so long. That's what I regret.

I dont envy but love to join in or be part of there group and be accepted as one of them, I go to my seaside town and there are plenty of Hen parties out, I have been invite out with them on many occasions just from being around them when they are in a pub or a club I am in. I was even sat in the pub one afternoon after a going shopping sipping my beer, a Hen party was in full swing in the afternoon, I was in my blend in shopping clothes, they saw me on my own dragged me across to there group, I spent the afternoon with them. They all then took me back to my hotel and waited in the bar while I changed into something more appropriate for the night to come clubbing. What a fantastic day and night I had. So for me is being accepted as one of them rather than envious of them. The best part when we where all in the loo together all in a line by the mirrors doing our lippy, lol

Hi Jenny. I’m really interested by the responses to your post. It shows what a wide community we are, but also (I hope) how accepting we are of one another. We each have our own life experience and genetic makeup that makes us who we are. I read recently (in New Scientist) that the chance of there being a person identical to you is 1 in 10 to the power of 10 to the power of 68, which corresponds to 1 followed by 100 million trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion zeroes. We are all unique! which, to me, is a good thing.

I’m not sure jealous is the right word but I feel something like it, an ache that says, “wish I could be like you.”

I’m aware I have male privilege, white privilege, and western privilege, and I’ve asked myself if I would be willing to give up the latter two in order to give up the first - in other words, would I want to be a woman living in poverty or oppression. The answer is, of course, no. I’m hugely grateful for the life I have, but the ache is still there

I see what you're saying, but consider this: If it feels that bad to not conform to female beauty standards as a man, how much worse must it feel to not conform to these standards as a woman? Because let's face it, a great number of women don't. The cosmetics and clothing industries have entire product lines designed to address those needs. Fortunately, those products are available to anyone who wants them.

So, yes, I feel the desire sometimes, but no life crippling jealousy, fortunately. I'm happy to just be an impersonator, thank you. Good luck.

I’m so sorry that so many of you are jealous or envious. Some of you claim that we GGs feel the same way about the GGs who are prettier than we are, but you’re wrong. Most of us are not Cover Girl material, yet we are confident in who we are - in our abilities, our accomplishments, our relationships, in short just the way that we deal with the world that we live in. Most of us are not envious of someone who is curvier, younger, or prettier than we are. Because we all know that these things are just the surface. They’re just a very tiny part of what forms the essence of a person’s being.

I do however want to address this comment that I find rather insulting to women in general:

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If it feels that bad to not conform to female beauty standards as a man, how much worse must it feel to not conform to these standards as a woman? Because let's face it, a great number of women don't.

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According to who? You?

You don’t seem to realize that we all have different beauty standards. Yours, apparently, or at least according to your avatar, is long, curly hair, tons of makeup including red, red lipstick, and big boobs.

Please believe me when I say that this is NOT the average woman’s beauty ideal … else she’d certainly be wearing the red, red lipstick, boob enhancers and hair extensions, together with short dresses and stilettos, or whatever you’re wearing in that pic that is not shown.

I personally feel that the epitome of beauty is being natural. Unadorned. Long or short hair. Blue jeans or a dress. And certainly not wearing makeup to the point where it looks as if she is wearing makeup. I think a woman is beautiful when she likes herself for who she is.

As to your claim that the cosmetics industry addresses "those needs" (what needs … women who don’t look like the way you want them to?), women indeed are increasingly wearing less or no makeup, precisely because they don’t feel there’s any need to wear it. :)

https://civicscience.com/makeup_is_losing_its_luster/

And have you heard of Melisa Raouf? She is the first ever finalist in the Miss England beauty pageant to compete without wearing any makeup at all. It’s about time and good for her!! It has always irritated me when some people did not consider women beautiful unless these women hid who they naturally were behind a fake face and hair that was put through a tortuous regime just so it would conform to someone else’s beauty standards. Not fair, when handsome men would be considered gorgeous just for appearing as they were! :)

I don?t comment very often but Reine D you are very right I work in a very hot factory and the women that work there don?t wear makeup I have even been to gatherings with these women after work they just show up in jeans and a shirt. There all different body types just ladies going about there business and lives. Thanks for in sight well put

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I see what you're saying, but consider this: If it feels that bad to not conform to female beauty standards as a man, how much worse must it feel to not conform to these standards as a woman? Because let's face it, a great number of women don't.

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This is a huge part of why I could never even contemplate transitioning. Most of us often desperately want to be beautiful; I could never even remotely come close. I could never even pass, in a coal mine, during a power failure, in the middle of the night, during a full eclipse.
Plus, being a woman would just be exchanging one set of problems, for another. My major issue as a crossdresser, is that almost always constant feeling that I'm in the wrong outfit, the my body isn't what it should be, that I'm not behaving as I should, that my whole life is wrong. Sure, as long as my attention is focused on some activity, my mind pushes all the CD/TG stuff into the subconscious, but as soon as it's able, I become aware of all those feelings again.
I work with mostly women; as such, I get to observe all the difficulties that are inherent in being a woman, not to mention the things that are NOT obvious (intimate unmentionables, of course).
Life is not any piece of cake for women. Sure, there are some advantages, but those are outweighed by all the issues that make their lives so much more complicated.
So, envy? Yes. But feel empathy for them, too, because 'the grass isn't all green on the other side of the fence'.

I know exactly what you mean Jenny, I am also jealous of GGs bodies and how clothes look on them. I don't let that jealousy prevent me from enjoying wearing clothes myself though.

Warning: Long Post. May be edited as needed.

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[...] I do however want to address this comment that I find rather insulting to women in general:

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If it feels that bad to not conform to female beauty standards as a man, how much worse must it feel to not conform to these standards as a woman? Because let's face it, a great number of women don't.

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According to who? You?

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Well, I have always said that the world would be a better place if more people listened to me. ;)

All kidding aside, one can't question me on "who gets to arbitrate beauty standards" and then make a reference to a beauty pageant, AND then go on to say:

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[...]Most of us are not Cover Girl material[...]

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I am sorry, but it seems you don't want to argue seriously. You just want to argue, seriously.

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You don?t seem to realize that we all have different beauty standards. Yours, apparently, or at least according to your avatar, is long, curly hair, tons of makeup including red, red lipstick, and big boobs.

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Read this very carefully: You can't judge a Crossdresser's complete concept of beauty and femininity from a single avatar! The woman one longs to be is more often than not quite different from the one one is actually able to become with the tools available at one's disposal, especially when one is a beginner.

When crossdressers start becoming more serious, they usually have very limited knowledge of female dressing/makeup technique, which means they have little control of their actual look. One gets what one gets and so one has to search for a look that works and build on that.

Since you commented on it, my avatar is over two years old was taken on the day I had a makeover and bought that wig. I had no idea what I was going to look like at the end of my makeover, but I felt they did a good job bringing out the femininity in my face.

I chose that wig primarily because of all wigs that matched my own hair color, I felt that one looked the nicest. It was the best I could do at the time and I still feel quite good about it, but do I look like that all the time? Of course not. Do I think all women should aim to look like me? Well, some could do a lot worse... :heehee:

If you take the time to think about it, there are folks on here who have decades-old avatars (I see no problem with that. You may feel differently). I hope you are not taking their avatars as a definitive representation of their feminine selves.

About the boobs, I don't remember which forms those were, probably my 42Ds, which were my first boobs and the only ones I happenned to have at the time. I picked that size because I'm 6'2" and thought they would look proportional. Like other CDers, I got them discretely through mail order and could not try them on beforehand.

When I saw what the boobs looked like on me, I thought they were larger than I would have liked, but not unrealistically so, and seeing as I was (and am) a work in progress, I simply adjusted my self-concept to encompass the notion that my fem self simply is large-breasted and that I had to accept and live with my big boobs like biological women have to do with theirs and deal with it accordingly.

As a matter of fact, experiencing the world as a fairly large-breasted female impersonator brought some eye-opening revelations. Among other things, some strangers seem compelled to comment on my bosom with a strange familiarity. On my very first outing, some drunken kid kept telling me to "show my fat tits".

...Then we have comments such as yours.

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Please believe me when I say that this is NOT the average woman?s beauty ideal ? else she?d certainly be wearing the red, red lipstick, boob enhancers and hair extensions, together with short dresses and stilettos, or whatever you?re wearing in that pic that is not shown.

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I think I did a pretty good job explaining how my fem look came about. Please show me where I ever presented myself as a beauty ideal. (Other than the joke in the paragraph about my avatar.)

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I personally feel that the epitome of beauty is being natural. Unadorned. Long or short hair. Blue jeans or a dress. And certainly not wearing makeup to the point where it looks as if she is wearing makeup. I think a woman is beautiful when she likes herself for who she is.

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That is your opinion and it's fine. I don't think I said anything to the contrary (although you may have misunderstood it as such) and the reason you felt so compelled to share that opinion with me when you could just have volunteered it in a post of your own is not immediately apparent.

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As to your claim that the cosmetics industry addresses "those needs" (what needs ? women who don?t look like the way you want them to?), women indeed are increasingly wearing less or no makeup, precisely because they don?t feel there?s any need to wear it. :)

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Ok, now you are being unfair. The needs I refer to are precisely those crossdressers use to enhance their own femininity. And again, when did I ever suggest I was the arbiter for anything?

I am sorry, but I am sensing that here you are projecting some seriously misplaced aggression. Please look into that.

Going back to the clothing, This is not something I expect GGs would think about, but unlike male clothing and accessories in general, a great many female products are designed with the specific intent to conceal female physical flaws. Female clothing can be and are designed to lift, separate, support, tuck, minimize, push up, enhance, compress and generally reshape a woman's particular physique so that it looks generally nicer than it actually is. And female clothing has been like that for decades. I am sorry if that reality offends you. It has nothing to do with me.

Then you have the cosmetics, whose names themselves elicit duplicity in presentation, "Concealer" and "Mascara" being two obvious examples that come to mind.

You keep acting like I am imposing some unrealistic standard upon women when all I am saying is that bringing out femininity on some females can be as laborious a process as doing so for a person who is biologically male.

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And have you heard of Melisa Raouf? She is the first ever finalist in the Miss England beauty pageant to compete without wearing any makeup at all. It?s about time and good for her!! It has always irritated me when some people did not consider women beautiful unless these women hid who they naturally were behind a fake face and hair that was put through a tortuous regime just so it would conform to someone else?s beauty standards. Not fair, when handsome men would be considered gorgeous just for appearing as they were! :)

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No, I had not had the pleasure of hearing of Melisa Raouf until now. As I am not currently residing in the UK and take very little interest in beauty pageants generally, that information has escaped me. Yet, in spite of that handicap, I have managed to live. :)

Just one thing: if she is the first one ever, doesn't that make her, for the time being, literally the exception that proves the rule?

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I?m so sorry that so many of you are jealous or envious. Some of you claim that we GGs feel the same way about the GGs who are prettier than we are, but you?re wrong. Most of us are not Cover Girl material, yet we are confident in who we are - in our abilities, our accomplishments, our relationships, in short just the way that we deal with the world that we live in. Most of us are not envious of someone who is curvier, younger, or prettier than we are. Because we all know that these things are just the surface. They?re just a very tiny part of what forms the essence of a person?s being.

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What you're not getting here is that there are different kinds of jealousy and envy.

When crossdressers say they are jealous of women, they don't mean the malicious, toxic, destructive kind of jealousy you seem to be thinking of. It's the constructive kind; the kind for example felt by Brian Wilson when he created Pet Sounds after hearing the Beatles' Rubber Soul. It's the kind of jealousy that makes one aware of something that makes one want to do better.

Lastly, I will admit my quoted post basically neglected the existence of transmen - females who make a conscious choice to present as their opposite sex. I wonder if it's not lack of acknowledgement such as this that has made the once thriving transmen section of this site into a basically dead forum. For that, I apologize.

Thanks for reading.

I have the feeling often, I also think how would my life be if I had been born a female? My conclusion, I cannot complain at all, I have had opportunities that, if I had been a female, I would not. I like to think that I can have the best of being male and a bit of being female. We are lucky to be able to live in this time, where we can express ourselves and enjoy certaing freedoms tha did not exist some years ago.
Of course, I still curse when I cannot find nice female shoes in size 12 and at a low price!

I do believe this thread has run it's course. Any further back and forth comments should be taken to PM