Quote Originally Posted by Kaitlyn Michele View Post
so basically as long as your lying and deception is ok with you, then its ok to lie because your motives are good?

the old fear of what else is he lying about is a totally normal response to being lied to. (yes it is...that's why I mentioned it; not everyone's thought processes work that way, though)

and please don't embarrass yourself and compare this to saying "you don't look fat" so your wife doesnt get mad
Actually, my thoughts go back to Vanessa's situation and how this worked for them. I doubt Vanessa uses "schemes" to cheat on her wife. Yes, I could be wrong but Vanessa is apparently very much in love with hers and didn't want to lose her.

Obviously lying is usually a bad thing in and of itself but telling your wife she's not fat (when she is) still is technically lying. That's why I say it's the motives that count.

I've had 2 ex's that were pathological liars, that lied just for the hell of it (psychological problem). It can leave you in a daze when someone lives in their own fantasy world like that.....I had to keep reminding myself they weren't doing it intentionally to harm me. (but they obviously weren't trying or able to protect myself and others from their problem, either)

It's not a good practice to go around lying but there are instances where (deception) is a (necessary) means to an end.