Lemme try again.

Folks. There are people on this forum from a variety of countries with a variety of laws and yet transphobic violence is a problem in probably every single one of them!

Now, those of you who approve of carrying guns need to consider the problems that 1. your opponent may be a quicker draw than you so dealing with other ways of reducing the danger are still useful to you anyway 2. many other girls in your own country may not chose to carry a gun and 3. that doesn't mean a hill of beans to people in the majority of countries where civilians can't carry concealed firearms or other weapons legally!

Now, those of you who oppose carrying firearms need to consider the problems that 1. it's legal in the USA and some folk are going to carry them no matter what you say and 2. it doesn't mean a hill of beans to people in the majority of countrues where civilians can't carry concealed firearms or other weapons legally!

So to try and make myself thoroughly clear there is not one logical point to carrying on the guns vs no guns debate in this discussion! Changing the relative laws and culture either in the USA or the rest of the developed world is a comparable struggle to eleiminating transphobia and anti-trans discrimination. Both sides are wasting everyones time in an off-topic discussion that will make not one single transperson safer from transphobic violence!

So please, please, pretty please with suger on top, please drop the gun control/liberty debate entirely and address the rest of the issue!
Either side winning the argument conclusively and finally will not help at all and is as unlikely as my being elected world dictator by a unanimous vote of every single human and penguin on the planet before midnight tonight.

Those who can carry guns can carry them but the threat of transphobic violence remains! So gun toting gals and guys instead of arguing in favour of guns deal with what else needs to be done to deal with transphobic violence and non gun toting gals and guys instead of arguing against guns deal with what else needs to be done to deal with transphobic violence.

Carrying guns is an option available to only a small minority of TG folk on this planet and not everyone able to do so choses to do so. Therefore it is irrelevant to the subject for the vast majority of TG people including many in the USA too.

Those who utterly cannot help themselves and need to debate the gun control issue might want to consider a seperate thread on the subject in the lounge section perhaps?

But people are dying every year from transphobic violence in countries where guns can and cant be carried so lets actually deal with the real issues shall we?

Now unless the next person who wants to post about guns can find a massive fatal flaw in every point in that logic can we get to some genuinely usefull discussion on the subject please?