Quote Originally Posted by battybattybats View Post
There's not a lot of male goths with long red nails and red lipstick Sheila, (some but not many) especially not in a rural town. And all the people at the Womens Comedy Festival where I was totally crossdressed who knew me i'm out to, and the several hundred who didn't will too, i was still recognisably me (even in the dark as someone I knew came and sat by me saying Hi (Birth-name)! ) and while lots told me I looked good (including the comedians backstage who were very supportive) I did not pass.

Isn't the measure of the general public at large the views of the general public at large that i meet, not what you imagine they will be? So when a girl at a checkout where I'm buying beadcraft supplies starts talking to me about high-heel black knee-high womens boots she bought on ebay and reccomending them to me then she's just viewing me as a Cisgender male? And what about the people who see me carefully select and try on knee-high high heel womens boots?
And you forget that Androgyny and Genderqueer/Genderfree are also Transgender! And Goth Adrogyny remains Androgyny.

Methinks you protest a bit much. I don't think Sheila was looking for a long, drawn-out discussion on this -- merely pointing out that from your pictures, which you linked yourself, that you don't look like anything other than typical male goth. No one I know -- and I know all kinds of people -- would consider that transgendered at all. You might. They don't. It's a goth dude.

Want me to make the survey official? I'll take your pics around and ask everyone I see: is this a goth, or a crossdresser? What do you think will happen?

If you traveled around the US like you look there, people would call you one of two things: goth, or faggot. And I suspect a lot of the male goths would kick your ass if you questioned their gender. If they had muscles. :D