Hi Lorileah...i think we've had this debate in different ways before...

First off i have to say i disagree with your premise regarding elitism...i'm quite offended by your inference and I bet just about anybody here who has read my thousands of posts will see that i am anything but elitist.

the only way you can say that is if somehow you equate the word crossdresser as more negative than transsexual...where did i say that? nowhere.

i hear you on your point about saying no labels and then using them...i can't figure a way around it and reasonably discuss this issue......if you want to get semantic about it, i can only say i'm quite guilty but was trying to comment on the "label" of transgender for a large inclusive group of people...and although i used the words ts and cd....i would argue that we (and pretty much everybody here) know the difference..having similar experiences is not the same as being the same..the fact that we have shared similar experiences like going outside and being scared because of what we wear is one major way that we are all the same

i''m not even remotely saying that you can't understand something...

i'm saying that if you say you are man and dress, and i say i'm a woman and dress, our motives are totally different...they are not the same...the fact that our motives and goals are different matters..but neither is better.

however, i am saying that you don't dress up in women's clothes at work, I'm saying that you have no bathroom issue where you work, i'm saying that you don't go to a job interview in a skirt, longish hair and makeup..and worry about whether they know, or whether they care.. you don't have your credit cards taken away from you, you don't spend $100,000 of thousands of dollars to improve your quality of life..you are less likely to lose your wife and family....you don't get turned away by doctors and most importantly you don't view yourself as someone that is basically nonexistent until you are able to change gender roles..you don't take life threatening drugs because the alternative is life threatening as well...
do you view all this as elitist? as false?... btw a crossdressing guy has every right to do all of the above, why doesnt he? i'll answer my own question..because he's not transsexual..and has no desire to be...and if he does desire it...then i bet dollars to donuts he's on the way to some self serious self discovery

the fact that i have all these problems and you don't doesnt mean you don't have alot of problems too....it doesnt mean that there is something you can't understand, and i certainly don't think my problems are better than yours, or anybody elses for that matter...

you simply cannot say "enough with the cd and ts stuff" and get away with it.....it matters. there are CD"s and there are TS's ...that doesnt make it a competition, that doesnt mean one is better ...and i never said it was...

i wouldnt have put such a long answer but calling me elitist pisses me off...i have an opinion, i shared it..i said i don't know the answer but this is how it feels to me...why you have such a problem with me is a mystery to me..