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    You left out a few ...

    Patience and Empathy to name a few.

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    With all of the work and necessity items doesn't make you feel wonderful, it does for me.
    If I could go full time I would but I would lose what family and friends that I have, plus I wouldn't make the money I am making now.

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    Nothing on your list does a woman make. They are the trappings of what some might see as feminine emulation. My wife in particular would take particular exception that her femininity would be defined by anything on your list.

    Being a woman has more to do with what is in your heart. No lipstick (or anything else on the list for that matter) is required.

    Quote Originally Posted by Presh GG View Post
    You left out a few ...

    Patience and Empathy to name a few.

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    Nicely said Presh.
    Like a corpse deep in the earth I'm so alone, restless thoughts torment my soul, as fears they lay confirmed, but my life has always been this way - Virginia Astley, "Some Small Hope" (1986)
    Sunlight falls, my wings open wide. There's a beauty here I cannot deny - David Sylvian, "Orpheus" (1987)

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    Sometimes it's a lot to do, I'll admit. If we cannot be ourselves and have fun doing it though, we are missing the point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sara Jessica View Post
    Nothing on your list does a woman make. They are the trappings of what some might see as feminine emulation. My wife in particular would take particular exception that her femininity would be defined by anything on your list.
    Being a woman has more to do with what is in your heart. No lipstick (or anything else on the list for that matter) is required.
    Nicely said Presh.
    You are so right. All of these things do not make a woman. To me, the most beautiful breathtaking thing God gave us to look at is the female form. When you can stand or lay down and look beautiful like a woman can without any of the listed items, then... and only then will you come close to the gift of beauty that women have. Unfortunately, us crossdressers need most of what's on the list. Forget that v-string vagina Yuk! We can only dream and think we are women in some sense of the word. I for one cherish that feeling from time to time. Women have much softer skin with smaller pores that makes it feel so good as well as look so good. She is blessed with curves in all the right places. Even her neck line is better looking then a males. Not to mention the gentle curve of her hips and thighs flowing from her waist.

    Yep, when God created man...SHE was only joking. Her masterpiece is the feminine form that is all woman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Presh GG View Post
    You left out a few ...

    Patience and Empathy to name a few.

    Presh GG
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    I too have my list that long but it Maybe just me but v string vagina is maybe taking the transformation just that little too far? I remember a friend of mine purchased one and it didnt look right,maybe im just missing something
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    Vanessa,

    Forget the list and just get engaged with the forum...

    A lot of this is state of mind?

    To Presh... I know where you are coming from, and you are right, but the implication is that these are female traits and (ipso facto) males don't do them. If that is your experience then this is unfortunate... these are things that are key to many males I know including me.

    This gender difference thing really pulls out the prejudices!

    Back to Vanessa, women are expected to do a lot... being a CD really brings this home. Doing what they are expected to do on a day to day basis is amazing. Total respect!
    Kaz xx

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    1) human hair wig - or just grow your hair out!
    2) foundation - laser baby laser!
    3) bronzer - ok only when i am really getting made up
    4) eye shadow - i'll give you this one, but i never go overboard
    5) false eyelashes - mmm maybe its me, but they just always seemed a bit over the top?
    6) eyeliner - use an eyeliner brush and black eyeshadow, kill two birds with one stone and it looks fantastic with little difficulty!
    7) lipstick - i'll give you this one too, but most days its just lip gloss for me
    8) earrings - i must be the only girl without my ears pierced. hmm i need to get on that!
    9) bra - check
    10) blouse - you wear a shirt in drab right?
    11) silicone breast forms - check
    12) silicone breast form adhesives - they get sweaty and sticky enough that with a good bra they stay in place for me anyways.
    13) panties - you where underwear in drab right?
    14) skirt - see 10 and 13
    15) pantyhose - a must for me because my legs have had the holy crap beat out of them. but knee high socks cover up what i need most of the time.
    16) fake fingernails - ehhhh to each her own
    17) fingernail polish - only when i am going out to the club
    18) toes painted - 24/7
    19) necklace - if you have any fashion sense, accessories are what make a girl so i will give you this one.
    20) bracelet - see 19
    21) several rings - see 19
    22) high heels - ballet flats, maybe sometimes mary janes with a little heal. otherwise jolly green giant doesnt pass so well
    23) purse - ohhh how i love purses
    24) shaved everywhere but the head - occupies 3-5 hours a week for me, but you forgot exfoliating, daily moisturizer, nightly wrinkle treatment, cleaning up the brows, nose hair, the little wings you get on the ears
    25) v-string vagina - what the heck is that?

    Truth be know it just all depends on what your physical sense of femininity is. I know many women trans or non-trans that dont put 1/2 the time into presentation that I do, but vanity comes at a high cost of time. There is so much more to femininity than presentation though like others have said here it a psychology and a different way of looking at life. Then are the things that make you a dead giveaway like the walk, posture, gestures, voice, facial expressions, and so much more. Being a woman fascinates my every waking moment and I am constantly studying and retraining my brain and my heart on top of all the time put into presentation. This is all by design though so that when i do finally come out to everyone and go full time it will be more like, its about time than "WOW didnt see that coming"

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    The malots hit the gears are always turning
    And everyone inside the mechanism
    Is yearning
    To get out

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