There is a string in this conversation that I really do not like. It seems that those like myself that really and truly likes skirts and other "girly" stuff, is in some way doing something wrong. Is in some way insulting to women, and is just a joke.

I don't know about you all but I like to dress in something OTHER THAN what everybody else is wearing, and I like skirts or leggings. I like my goth look too, but that is already limited. I LIKE makeup, and what it can do for my eyes (why don't men draw attention to their eyes?).

Now there are certain silly behaviors MtoF CDs do that I don't think help matters, and as I have said before I dislike the "sissy" look.

But please lets not say in order to respect women we have to dull down our looks. That is part of the problem with our culture now, everyone in many ways dresses dully most of the time. I feel I am pushing some big boundaries when I walk about in a decent androgynous style but with shiny black leggings on. They really stand out when in a morass of denim. LOL