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    Quote Originally Posted by Di View Post
    Fab/ GG anonymous 4

    We have an amazing sex life, but its a great fear of mine that I won't always satisfy him. I notice a great deal more Submissive Cders than Dominate ones. I feel like I am going against the grain of the Cder norm. I adore him and desperately want to please him.
    You sound amazing! You sound like you are in love (I think) and he is lucky someone not only accepts his CDing, but wants to give alot! However, IMHO, you should not really be so worried about whether you are going against the grain. A relationship is a 2 way thing and just as much as he may not be able to be something else than what he is, nor are you! If you really feel concerned, you should probably be open and ask the question.

    Personally, I am open to being both submissive and dominating btu I could not say what is the norm... But whatever it is, its about how you both feel, and as you say, you already have amazing sex life! So dont stress too much about it and good luck!

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    I wish you would have told me, instead of me having to find out through someone else who discovered you on the internet.

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    In a different thread, I made the comment that wives continually need to raise the bar in terms of their acceptance levels, in order to keep up with their husbands' expanding femme expression. A member asked me what I meant by that, so I constructed a fairly typical scenario of what a supportive wife goes through. Several CDs commented that it helped them see it from their wives point of view and asked if it could be made a sticky. So instead, I am posting it here:



    Say when they first meet, he only enjoys wearing panties & hose in the bedroom when they have sex and she thinks it's a bit kinky, but all in fun. But then over time he expands and wants to take it out of the bedroom and begin wearing outfits. So she adjusts her perception of what it means to him and she's OK with this as well. But then after a little while, he wants to begin shaving his body and get his ears pierced. At this point, she wonders if it isn't more than a harmless pastime, but she goes along (even though she misses her husband's body hair). And then he adds a wig, breast forms, hip pads, waist cincher, makeup. He plucks his eyebrows and his fingernails are permanently long and shaped. Perhaps he has permanent facial hair removal.

    OK. So she still goes along (perhaps reluctantly now since she has no clue what's going on and her emotions about who her husband is are deeply conflicted) and she wonders if he's on his way to transitioning since he has changed his physical appearance considerably. She's afraid. He tells her no, he's not interested in transition and he doesn't see himself as a woman. But then he joins websites, perhaps starts chatting with other CDs, she finds that he has posted pics of himself all over the internet (in lingerie). The wife wonders if her husband is becoming more interested in men or other CDs than her. Perhaps she also finds an email or IM account or two, a facebook & myspace profile, and that's not counting all the hours doing this, plus the expense and the time involved in ramping up the presentation, the wardrobe, the jewelry, plus having professional makeovers & photo shoots. And perhaps a TG convention or two that take weeks of planning, shopping, and preparation, not including the time spent there.

    So the wife begins to think that the CDing is far more important to her husband than she is, since he spends so much free time now (compared to before) on the CDing, the grooming, the shopping, the forums. And then he wants to begin going out regularly dressed, alone if she doesn't want to go with him, at first to TG safe places like alternative clubs, and then to mainstream places like malls, restaurants, & such. If they do go out together it is all about the stress (for her) and the excitement (for him), at least in the beginning since there is always a chance they will be recognized. The wife doesn't want her kids, her coworkers, his coworkers, their family, & perhaps some friends to know. Neither does he, but the excitement of going out supercedes the stress for him. And every time she's out with her husband and someone reads him and stares, she feels judged as well and her heart sinks a little and will continue to sink until she develops a tougher skin.

    Oh, and he also wants to begin making GG & TG friends who do not know him in guy mode. He wants to experience being a girl with other girls. This is particularly worrisome for the wife at first, especially the GG friends, since the wife doesn't understand and she thinks that her husband is beginning to look outside his marriage.

    This is what I mean by a wife having to stretch her understanding of it AND her support (if she doesn't want to stand in his way), so that she can keep up with her husband's growing expression. The wife never really knows when it will plateau since to her, it's been a continual expansion since day one, when it was only just wearing panties occasionally in the bedroom.

    Now presumably they talk throughout all of this and he continues to reassure her that he's not into men, he doesn't want to become a woman, and he does love her. But she still finds it difficult to come to terms with this since what he says does not match his actions (looking increasingly like a woman, adopting feminine mannerisms, perhaps working on a feminine voice, dressing in ways that appeal to men, wanting to spend girl time with other women), and that's not mentioning the fact that clearly, the expression of femininity has become by far her husband's preferred activity.

    The wife has to make a leap of faith to even begin understanding what it's like to be transgender, since there is nothing in her own internal landscape to even come close to experiencing anything like this. Additionally, she needs to redefine her marriage, her own role in the marriage, her place in her husband's priorities, and even her prior understanding of gender and sexuality.

    I'm not saying it can't be done. There are many wives & girlfriends (myself included) who do stay the course with their CDing SOs, and who champion their right to be who they are. But it does require many GGs to stretch quite a bit. There is a learning curve, and it is steep for some GGs. Add to this the typical CDer who finds it difficult to define himself and who doesn't necessarily discuss with his wife every single next step or each new purchase until after the fact, and this adds to the amount the wife needs to stretch and become OK with each new development.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReineD View Post
    In a different thread, I made the comment that wives need to continually need to raise the bar in terms of their acceptance levels, in order to keep up with their husbands' expanding femme expression. A member asked me what I meant by that, so I constructed a fairly typical scenario of what a supportive wife goes through. Several CDs commented that it helped them see it from their wives point of view and asked if it could be made a sticky. So instead, I am posting it here:
    wow...this really seems to get to me. My husband hasn't (to my knowledge--and I think hes starting to become super honest with me about this) wanted to become a woman..but that is EXACTLY what the person in this story is doing( in my pov). I would really have to think more about this so that I can be very clear that this is what I want.

    Do all CD tend to end up this way. Or at least, think about it?

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    No Trina, Not all CD's end up wanting to transition. Many if not most of us are very happy being a man that happens to like to dress and emulate women. I for one would miss being a man. But also if I had to give up crossdressing, I'd miss my feminine side. I enjoy being the man my sweetheart loves. I also know that if I wanted to go further, it would ruin the relationship we have now. She enjoys my fem side, but would never want me to lose my masculine side.
    Reine did an excellant job it the extreme picture she painted wiht her words. Yes, I know it can and does happen to a few almost as she brillantly described it. But that would be crossing the line bewteen crossdressrs and transsexuals. Again, most of us don't want to go there.

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    In all good things you can still find something that is questionable if you look hard enough , this is a good site for support, understanding and getting the answers you need but i sometimes wonder if there is a small negative side to it and that is because i think it is mainly the more progressive CDs that post the most about how they want to expand their dressing and the amount of time doing it even up to a TS level in some case`s, it can look like that is the normal conclusion or goal of a CD once you start to wear anything feminine.
    Yes this does happen and i am sure it will continue to happen as more members get use to who they are or what they are but it is not a god given thing and as i have said i feel that it is those that you will hear the most from (which is understandable) so it sort of off balance`s the real situation a bit and i am sure this can scare some wife`s/SOs into the assumption that once their husband/SO admits to wearing panties then all will be lost in time as he is on his way to becoming a woman .
    You have to take each case as an individual one , yes get the knowledge and help that you can get on here but just remember that there are a vast amount of wife`s/SOs and CDs who do not belong to a site like this because the CDing is only a minor thing (could get chastised for that):D so they do not seek help or feel that they do it enough to be able to post about it all the time .
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    I never saw that post before ReineD, but thank you for re-posting it here. It is important that we understand that perspective. I know there are days when I wish I could take off all restrictions on my expression as Josie. Eventually though I realize that there has to be a balance. Just as Josie is an import part of who I am, so is Joe. Thus, going too far as Josie could restrict my male persona and I need them both to fully be me. I can't speak for all crossdressers of course, but I imagine many of us are in a similar situation.

    As for sexual preference issues I can say this; for what I put myself though accepting Josie as a part of who I am, I could have easily accepted myself as gay or bisexual. However, when all the "dust settled and the smoke cleared"....I'm just not wired that way. Josie may be part of my self expression, but I am sexually attracted to females. Again, I suspect this is typical of many crossdressers as well.
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    Trina, I think that one could equate transitioning to "going pro" in a sport, say basketball. Many people dabble at the sport, some may be quite talented at the sport, but very very few have the combination of physical ability and total commitment to make it their complete life. Possession of a basketball and a Lakers jersey does not mean that someone's likely to replace Kobe no matter how much they dream about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trina View Post
    Do all CD tend to end up this way. Or at least, think about it?
    Trina, the CDer in my scenario is not transsexual and is not becoming a woman. Rather, he is catching up his femme side to his guy side, so that he can switch back and forth with a minimum amount of effort, in order to go out dressed in public without being read by most people. The process necessarily involves a large pendulum swing (from not having expressed a femme side to seemingly becoming obsessed with it all), which many people here call the "pink fog", and then he settles somewhere in the middle (if he is not transsexual) where he will be happy in his guy life and he will also enjoy occasional femme outings.

    I'm sorry if I frightened you. I've got to say that when I was reading about all this stuff before my own SO went from barely going out to being very comfortable out dressed, it scared me too. But, now that my SO does switch back and forth with ease, he has reached a point of balance with it all, just as I have. My point in writing the scenario was to let the CDers know that even if their wives are supportive, they need to stretch quite a bit in order to keep up with their husbands.
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    Reine,

    Great scenario and well written. As a CD in an accepting relationship your words ring true.

    I think for those of us who work thru being TG as a couple both grow in understanding about each other. The majority of the problems and fears we both face in this rollercoaster take both of us communicating with each other about what is important to our personal needs.

    As a CD'er myself, i find that my path too is constantly flowing and changing. However there is always one constant....Upon change we communicate. No matter if it is a fear or another step into the rabbit hole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eryn View Post
    Trina, I think that one could equate transitioning to "going pro" in a sport, say basketball. Many people dabble at the sport, some may be quite talented at the sport, but very very few have the combination of physical ability and total commitment to make it their complete life. Possession of a basketball and a Lakers jersey does not mean that someone's likely to replace Kobe no matter how much they dream about it.
    haha..that's a nice metaphore..thank you, Eryn
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    Dear all GGs,

    Because of your comments and advice, I was able to come out to my wife today. It went perfectly. I would never have been able to make the leap without you

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    Hi,

    Diane the GG here, hoping to learn more.
    Stretched to the limit here.
    What about those that go even further.

    Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReineD View Post
    In a different thread, I made the comment that wives continually need to raise the bar in terms of their acceptance levels, in order to keep up with their husbands' expanding femme expression. A member asked me what I meant by that, so I constructed a fairly typical scenario of what a supportive wife goes through. Several CDs commented that it helped them see it from their wives point of view and asked if it could be made a sticky. So instead, I am posting it here:
    Reine, I see that you are trying to make this an "extreme" example but this seems to me more like a Menage a trois than just a case of a wife discovering that her husband is a crossdresser. I wouldn't necessarily call what you have described a crossdresser either. It seems like your asking a wife to commit to a totally new and different relationship rather than stretching her point of view or acceptance of someone who wants to let a little femininity loose. From my pov I see this as possibly someone who is going to go the whole way in stages and leave the poor wife "holding the bag" in the end. Sort of going from a social beer to an alcoholic in 5 easy lessons.

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    Diane, you should post your question in it's own thread in Loved Ones, for all to answer.

    Busker, you should do this too, since this thread is more about a GG's reactions to her husband's CDing. But I will answer quickly that my scenario is not as extreme as you think. It is actually a fairly common path for a CDer who brings herself to the place of being completely comfortable switching back and forth at will and going out in the mainstream frequently (whether he is married or not). It is the path that my SO took. There just is a huge departure from the state of not CDing at all and this is why my scenario seems so drastic ... especially condensed in a few paragraphs, when the changes may occur over several years, or even decades for some people.

    Any further discussion about this should really be in its own thread in Loved Ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pythos View Post
    Then here is an idea. Throw out these narrow definitions of "man" you have. Look at your LOVE as a human being, that loves you, but is also scared. I can slightly understand your feelings, but get a little educated too. Most CDs don't want to go all the way, or lose their wives.

    HE HID BECAUSE OF SOCIETY!!! Why is this so hard to understand? Can you honestly answer this question:

    What if he had been completely open to you about his cding? Would you have married "your man"?

    Or would you have ditched him like he was a piece of rancid meat and run into the arms of a "real man", who is likely hiding worse things?

    I honestly have never heard a man say "I married a woman". Why is it I see women saying such limiting things as "I married a man". If a woman wanted to marry me because I was a man, then I would have questions about what it is she likes about me. Does she like me? Or the image of manly that is crammed down our throats?

    Well, interesting Thread this. I'm so glad and pleased my partner told me. We know each other for 9 months now and I have known about his cding for 3 or something. I'm glad he told me in a phase where we still get to know each other. I'm glad he told me at all! I would feel awful if my SO hid such an essential part from me. FROM ME, not society! How can you marry someone if you don't share your whole and true self with your SO?
    Frankly, I don't mind at all that my partner wears womens clothing from time to time, I think it is cute as hell, I feel blessed he shows his female side to me and is actually willing to be vunerable with me, to be gentle and soft and not all macho (with or without cding).

    Would I marry him (and her)? Yes, I would (if he asks me, LOL). Maybe even marry him twice if we feel like it, as him and her.

    Man and woman being a couple has been the standard for so many years, that you simply don't add that you're married to a man or woman, people assume it's the opposite sex.
    Where I live, gay marriages are legal, so it's becoming more common to marry a same sex partner. Even then, people still assume opposite sex.

    I would not say I'm married to a man, not because I don't see my partner as such, but because I would marry him as a person, as who he is.

    And oh my god, what a sad post (#120). My heart goes out to you. Keeping secrets, how ever hard to tell, it ruines a relationship, undermines trust. I count my blessings my SO had the guts to tell me. All of it and is still sharing. Love you!!

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    This is to both GG's and CD's..
    I have been on many types of fora, but will stick to just one (brand) to compare..
    Many of the GG posts I have read here are about, "spends too much time online, too much time doing nails, etc..", "I'm worried I will lose the man in my life"... It's not the sole domain of crossdressing, it's a natural part of any relationship that loses balance... Sadly many/most relationships are unbalanced to start with.. You spend much time and effort pleasing your new or new to be partner that when it's 'mission accomplished', back to norm feels less.. I think we all know about the honeymoon period and it's sad end..

    I used to play that crack cocaine of a game, world of warcrack.. I spent too much time online, offline i was mentally thinking how to get the next best piece of equipment, or finish a quest.. I became more fantasy figure and less of a man, life itself and all it involves and I built around me was crumbling, work suffered, heck I could make a living farming gold, I eventually lost my partner, she felt she lost the man in her life.. She showed me some fora about wow widows, I laughed it off..
    Then after I lost her I went back and read with an open mind..
    (funny, we expect our partners to have an open mind, yet we close ours)

    I have never played it again.. It's just a game... But for something more important, that involves a way of life, it's not about 'playing or not', it's about balance, to have ones needs, feelings or desires accepted and become a part of our lives we must consider the same things about those that matter to us.. Yes they might clash, But truely loving someone it working past that, not seeing differences as a threat (ironically the differences with CDing are similarities) but as an opportunity to grow, to understand ones SO and become closer than ever!
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    It took me some time to come to the conclusion that being a crossdresser is not the end of the world. You said you never want to dress full time and be a woman. I trust you. I want to be loved and held by a man. I want you to be a man when I need. You are my perfect man. I will help you dress up and take you out. All you have to do is be confident and enjoy. If I can only for one thing, it will be that whenever you dress, you have to do it with me.

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    Hello Pradaarmani

    I am not your husband, but thank you for your decision. You set a good example for the rest to follow.

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    The number one, MOST important thing that the CDing SO MUST do is be honest. About EVERYTHING! No hiding...feelings, needs, shopping. It has to all be real, or it can never last.

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    I'm angry you didn't tell me for so long. I'm angry you make me feel like I'm a bad person for not wanting to be romantically involved with someone who crossdresses.

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    Here I sit again in tears - joining this website, I've been crying almost non-stop LOL...thankfully it's with relief and not sadness. To read the thoughts and fears of the other GG SOs makes me feel so not alone anymore. I understand and have felt many of the feelings described, both the positive and the negative. Even more inspiring to me in some ways are the CDers who bravely read these posts and seem to really hear what is said without being defensive or threatened...your responses are so beautiful - full of humility and love and a desire to be great partners...actually that is what I hear in most of these - it's overwhelming how wonderful life can be when people speak the truth of how they feel and others respond with kindness. Thanks for having me in this community - so far, i can say it's been life changing
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenniferathome View Post
    Dear all GGs,

    Because of your comments and advice, I was able to come out to my wife today. It went perfectly. I would never have been able to make the leap without you
    Wow, that is such an amazing outcome from this topic! Congradulations to you!!! Please PM me to let me know how it went, i mean her reaction since you came out? if you need any support or adivice send me a pm or my husband, TheGirlWithNoName.
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    I'm going to agree with you Brandy. Most men who crossdress will never want to actually become a woman unless that has always been a part of them. I don't want to because I like me as well as my femme side. I can always do both.

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    I wish i can personally tell him this but i dont have the chance anymore but i feel i need to express it out somewhere at least!

    Thank you for sharing this secret with me, it was definitely hard for both of us! But i want to let you know how much i appreciate your willingness to help me to understand. I thank you because it had brought us even closer and it was definitely fun going shopping together and i really enjoyed buying you lingerie ; ). I truly feel special that we were able to share this together and that this will always be something very special between us, i will miss it and i will never forget it! As you are moving on now, i truly wish you best that you will find someone else like me who will love you and accept you for who you are...I hope you dont have to go through the hiding and shame again to tell your next girlfriend! i will always be here to support you! Thank you for being my best friend!!

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