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    And here's number ten!

    Alright, update. Things are now going well. Marla kept me from going insane last night, thank you again. Against my better judgment of leaving him alone, I decided to email him last night. After all, that's how we always do our best communicating because we can think things through thoroughly, edit how we're speaking to each other, and fully get our thoughts out. I sent him an email with the research I'd been doing since Wednesday, and I also sent him this thread because you ladies have given me some amazing advice and compassion. I honestly can say I couldn't be where I am right now without you. Seriously.

    I also included a personal message in the email and told him what I had done with the forum, and asked him not to be angry because I thought he might feel like I "told" on him. I haven't told a single soul in my real life, and I intend to keep it that way. This is incredibly personal to him, and I respect that. And hey, it's kinda flattering being one of only two people in his life who know. :p I told him it took me a long time to read all of your responses, but that it's definitely worth his time to read all that you've had to say because it really helped me understand. As I said, he's only been doing this for about 4 years and is very new compared to most of you. I now feel like it's my job to help him embrace this and help him through it..and I'm happy taking on that role.

    I also told him that I feel like his needs are taking priority over mine. I needed him more than ever these past few days, but I felt abandoned. I completely understood that he must be feeling disgusting about himself, but that's why I kept sending encouraging texts to let him know I still love him, nothing has changed, and that I forgive him. I no longer feel betrayed by him, and this incident has not affected my trust in him. I completely understand why he didn't tell me, and I actually feel lucky that I found out so soon, unlike nearly all of your stories. So I told him that I'll give him this weekend as the space he needs (we only spend weekends together because we're about an hour apart), but that I don't know where our relationship lies, and it's breaking my heart. Because he wouldn't tell me what he was feeling or thinking, I thought the worst and thought he was considering breaking up. So, I've been miserable. I told him that I'd really like to just forget that Wednesday ever happened and continue being us like normal. If we don't talk about the CD business for a little while, that's just fine...because we're still who we were last week.

    I woke up this afternoon with a wonderful email back from him. He thanked me from the bottom of his heart for reaching out to the forum to understand him. He isn't angry, and he discussed the concerns he's been having. He's basically worried that I no longer trust him because of this and that it has damaged our relationship. He's very sorry and never wanted to hurt me like this. Like you all were, he was also concerned about nauseating me, which I clarified that it doesn't nauseate me, as I explained to all of you. I apparently didn't communicate that point clearly to anyone..haha.

    He's not sure if he wants to stop or not, but did explain to me why he does it and what he feels. He's also concerned about my image of him now. If I don't see him as a man anymore, if every time he buys me something if I'll attribute it his feminine side, if I'll throw nasty comments at him about it in a fight, and if he can actually trust me with this information. He also feels, like I do, that our relationship has somehow taken a hit because of this, and wants to make sure our relationship is in good standing before we even address the CDing. He said he wants to space for both of us to calm our emotions, and remember why we love each other and why we're together.

    So, I wrote back and I hope I eased his mind about everything. I told him again that I forgive him for not telling me, it did not diminish my trust in him, I understand why he didn't tell me and don't fault him for it, I accept him for who he is, I fully support him in whatever choice he makes, I'm willing to dress with him to try it out then perhaps do couple things you all have suggested like shopping or laying out clothes for him, I still feel our relationship is the same, I will NEVER throw it in his face, his secret is completely safe with me, that I want to move on from this, and dammit, that I'm actually a little excited to explore this with him.

    I also told him that I don't think we need time apart right now, we need time together. We need some normalcy to get back on track, and right now we need each other the most. I said that even if we just lay there holding each other without even speaking, that that's all we need right now. I already have a calm head, and I already remember why we love each other and why we're together. So, as I said, I have a gig tonight near his place, so I suggested that we compromise and I come over after my gig around midnight. That way he got 2/3 of the weekend alone, and I get to see him for one day. I also said I recognize that he's asked for his time alone, so if he feels at any point that he still wants to be alone, I won't be offended and I'll leave. I thought that was a pretty good compromise. I even said that if he's feeling stressed out today still, that maybe he should throw on a skirt to release some anxiety. I said to do it because I know he's doing it, he enjoys it, I accept it, I respect it, and he shouldn't have anything to feel guilty about because I know about it. So we'll see what he says. I'll be pretty bummed out if he tells me not to come over, but I'm pretty sure he won't. He really is a great man, he cares about me, wants to make me happy, and often makes concessions to make me happy. After all the emotions we've felt this week, and how much closer we are because there are no secrets between us, perhaps we'll make the best love we've ever made tonight.

    So once again, thank you ladies for all of your help. I couldn't have done it without you. You're truly amazing people, and if I can ever help you with anything, please let me know.

    I'm healed!!!!!!

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    Hi again Inshock, you are both strong people! You both are fortunate to have each other!

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    Inshock,

    This is great news! Ive been following your thread and sending happy thoughts your way.

    There is a plethora of information here that can help you thru understanding the psyche of a crossdresser. The GG's here have a forum group you should join, they help and support the spouses of CDers and Trangendered folks.

    From reading your posts i can tell you are incredibly IN love with this man. Communicating in any way you can with each other is the golden key to success in any relationship including one involving a TG person.

    My wife and i have been married for 10 years this December, she has know about my crossdressing since about a year into dating. I went through some periods of self denial and self hate from shame for being who i was internally, it led me down a very dark path in life.....without her support and love i would never have been able to pull myself out of depression. Being a crossdresser is an incredibly difficult thing for men to cope with, because of the worlds view of us.

    Be there for him, he will need your support in the coming years. If he is comfortable with it, then do your best to a part of his crossdressing in some way. My wife first started by giving me alone time, like you have suggested. Which is good at first, but for me it later felt like it separated us more. Now all these years later we share that time together. We get sitters for our kids and she makes candlelit dinners for us while i get dressed and we have girls movie nights. (and the occasional "Handcuff and porno night") But the point im trying to make is, it is awkard for both of you now. Just comunicate through the awkwardness and down the road in your lives together you will be stronger for it as a couple.

    From this statement i know the two of you will do just fine.
    I said to do it because I know he's doing it, he enjoys it, I accept it, I respect it, and he shouldn't have anything to feel guilty about because I know about it.
    Good Luck Inshock, we wish you the best in your new adventures as a Crossdressing Couple

    Supporting the Communication,
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    There have been responses to this thread that are disheartening to someone who is in emotional distress. As forum member please take care not to inflate the situation by being negative. If you do not have a way to help someone who is asking for it, move on to the next thread. Seriously.
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    I am more then a little sure your current take on this situation and how you resolved your feelings falls into a very small group of woman that have been faced with the same knowledge. Your inclusion and care of his feelings is impeccable, so complete. It shows how we can use social media to access information on sensitive subjects that are effecting us at any given moment. To take that information and process it as our needs arise. I commend you on standing by our own convictions within your relationship. Sure the obvious is going to happen, life is what happens as we are planning it. Remember, if we let our SOs experience life the way they would like to (excluding any harm), it more often then not comes back as a more meaningful and far richer life experience.

    Thank-you for sharing your experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by InShock View Post
    I'm healed!!!!!!
    Hayley;
    Congratulations on coming to your conclusions. It is a treat to hear.

    As for your comment that you are healed, I truly doubt that. Well on the mend for sure, but the trauma will take a long time to heal.

    Life will never be the same for either of you now. Just another experience to add to the book of your life. File it under good, or not so good as it fits for you.

    Many of us are happy to have been here for you. We will stand with you in your decisions in regards to this relationship, as our opinions don't really count. Valid though they may be.

    You can request a name change if you feel ready for that here as well.

    We hope that your B/F will join us here as well. Once he has 10 posts, he too can request membership in the "boys back room", where he will be able to discuss some of his more difficult feelings and concerns.
    May I also suggest that you look around your community to see if there is a crossdressing support group. It may be difficult to find (we tend to be a bit reclusive). Your local LGBT office can help you get in touch if the group is not out in the open.

    Thanks so very much for sharing this trying time with us. Hopefully, your lace handkerchiefs did not take too much abuse.

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    I am pleased and glad that you are looking forward with him. Happy that you are forward looking.
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    Hello Hayley

    Glad to hear you and your BF are talking again.

    The purpose of the negative posts were to set you back on your heels and make you think about what you were doing and the situation in which you find yourself. I highly doubt the underlying motivation behind them was malicious or nefarious, though a few were a bit too near the bone for my tastes.

    I see progress, but you and your BF are going to have to learn to communicate better and with less drama if your relationship is to survive. Yes, I've been extremely blunt and forthright about it, but my remarks are meant as constructive criticism and most certainly not an attack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alberta_Pat View Post
    To call this a "lie" is just not right.
    Perhaps this relationship has not yet reached the point where this disclosure was ready to come out.
    UM??? he"s "sleeping" with her! when was going to be a good time for him to share? Before or after the love child!

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    Inshock, I'm glad that things are working out, finally. Crisis averted! :D
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    Inshock, Your last post is the best thing I read here today! I am happy for you and happy for the guy you love. It looks like you both care deeply for each other and can now deal with what ever comes. It is so beautiful to have someone you love to express anything and everything openly and honestly with. This last few days has tested that trust and committment to each other. I wish you both the very best. I see happy days ahead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarlet Rose View Post
    Pass the tissues.
    Don't u just LOVE happy endings, Scarlet!?

    Hayley! Don't forget to send us an invite to the wedding! Seriously, as a woman, U ROCK, HAYLEY!
    U can't keep doing the same things over and over and expect to enjoy life to the max. When u try new things, even if they r out of your comfort zone, u may experience new excitement and growth that u never expected.

    Challenge yourself and pursue your passions! When your life clock runs out, you'll have few or NO REGRETS!

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    To echo what Sherry said "Seriously, as a woman, U ROCK HAYLEY!"

    I am so happy to hear that things are looking up for you guys! As I was reading your last post I couldn't help but smile, I was filled with happiness for you and your boyfriend. He is one of the luckiest guys I don't know!

    Once again, so happy to hear that all is going much better!

    Reading this in particular made me smile, "I will NEVER throw it in his face, his secret is completely safe with me, that I want to move on from this, and dammit, that I'm actually a little excited to explore this with him."

    And as for your comment in the email to him about throwing on a skirt if he feels stressed. I will say if I had a girlfriend and she told me to do that, I think I might faint.

    Keep on encouraging him, whatever he decides to do.

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    Quite a story, and quite a change of heart on your part, Hayley!

    I've not had time to read all the posts written *to* you, but have read the ones you've written. (Hence I'm sure a portion of my post here will be redundant.)

    My story is probably quite similar to many already posted, so I won't go into mine much. I'm older as well, been dressing since I was young. I also had times I felt like your boyfriend described, and also thought the same way he's expressed to you.

    For me, it's taken me over a decade to come to terms with my crossdressing within myself. I have found that by feeling I was a freak, abnormal, or there was an evil part of me, by thinking so I exhibited many of the same traits your boyfriend is expressing. By accepting myself, those traits have greatly diminished. I am not totally there yet.

    I dress almost all the time, and underdress for work (blue collar - yes the guys at work have seen my bra lines.) I go out in public doing my best, but undoubtedly looking like a guy in a dress. But, I find that my confidence level has greatly increased over the last year.

    I still long for acceptance, sexually included. I suspect that's why he hid the bdsm stuff from you. He may or may not realize that. He also may or may not know where all this is heading for him. (Personally I feel my crossdressing is a hormonal issue that is based in certain things in my DNA, and as any person, hormones change throughout life, so the feelings are changing, sometimes gradually, sometimes not. In the past, I've said many times I would never crossdress again. But, I had no idea where this path would take me, and find embracing it greatly reduces the urges and makes it more controllable.)

    I really appreciate what you said you emailed him (apparently some time today before your DJ gig.) Like others on this list who posted in response to that latest post, it brings a tear to my eye as well, thinking of how I wish I had that same kind of support and acceptance in my life. I do truly hope the best for you and that he does meet up with you. But, I noticed you had not yet gotten a response from him. He may not respond, but that may be because he's torn between feelings he doesn't yet understand.

    In any event, I wish to offer you my support as well. All t he best to you. I added your email address to my contact list and will be there for you if you need someone to talk to.

    Hugs,
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    Fantastic!!!!



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    Quote Originally Posted by DonniDarkness View Post
    Good Luck Inshock, we wish you the best in your new adventures as a Crossdressing Couple.
    But this is not the only conclusion. You don't have to be a "crossdressing couple" in order to have a great relationship. If you accept it and respect it but don't like to see him en femme, it's OK. Many couples thrive by staying in their traditional roles while allowing each other to pursue other interests. A good relationship does not require full participation in everything.

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    I remember a saying " the clothes makes the person" or something to that nature, don't remember it word for word and now that I am getting older it make sense.

    Back when I was young, when the testosterone was flowing like water, all I knew was every female on the planet was BEAUTIFUL. Now that I am considered a Senior Citizen, I am seeing the clothes thing, you take a female without makeup, put her in loose fitting jeans and a t shirt and you have a plain Jane and you can do your chores around the farm, BUT, let plain jane put on her makeup, a short black dress, pantyhose and heels and the man will be giving hog slop to the chickens and giving chicken feed to the hogs.

    I remember back when making out with a gf when those pantyhose were rubbing against me, made me want to wear a pair so I could have the feeling of them rubbing me like they were when we were making out, and it does, I love wearing them. Now for heels I don't know what it is about them but they drive me wild and it's surely different wearing a pair of them, and different is a good thing.

    So to make a long story short, I see now that it was the clothes and makeup, and not the person that got my juices flowing.

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    Hi there! Let me start off by introducing myself - my name's Calvin, and I'm the extremely lucky boyfriend of Hayley, who started this thread. Secondly, I'd like to thank every single one of you who has posted here. Your advice has been invaluable, and thank you for keeping us in your thoughts and prayers as we go through this incredibly difficult phase.

    It's been a week since Hayley found out about my alter-ego, and it wasn't in favorable circumstances either, as you've all read. Since then she has been an absolute gem with how she has approached it. I, on the other hand, have not been a fraction as magnificent as she has with dealing with the issue and the fallout. Yet she has persisted in working together to mend the breach of trust and the wonderful relationship that we share.

    I have to say that as cliched as it sounds, a great burden of guilt and shame has been lifted off my shoulders. Hayley has been very supportive in talking to me about my crossdressing, and helping me understand that this is not an abnormal thing just because it is abhorred by society. We're still working on how it will fit in as we proceed with our relationship, and where we will be setting the boundaries at. At her encouragement I signed up here and have come across a whole treasure trove of information. I'm hoping to get to know some of you, and the circumstances you find yourselves in.

    That's enough from me for now, once again thank you everyone here, and if there is any way we could be of help to anyone, do not hesitate to contact us!

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    Please to meet you Calvin
    Ya there is a lot of help from some very smart people here. After you have 10 post under your belt (I think) you will be able to receive private messages, take that opportunity!

    You will be fine.
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    Hi Callie, to the crossdressers.com community. I hope you will have seen from this thread that we are a fairly friendly bunch of people who like to support one another.

    I'm really glad that the two of you have started working together on this and wish you lots of joy and happiness in your relationship together.

    I know that you have had to be used to hiding this side of yourself from the majority of people, but I do hope that you will be able to share your feelings with Hayley when you are talking about the role that cross-dressing will play in your relationship. Please do both of you keep coming back and letting us know how you get on.

    There is plenty to see and loads of discussions that may interest you, so come on in and have some fun.
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    Welcome Calvin and Hayley. You'll find a lot of people here willing to help and be a friend to turn to.

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    Welcome Calvin,

    Read Read Read... There is alot of info here that can help both of you in finding a balance in this new relationship. Welcome to the forums.

    If you have any questions send me a PM, im around.

    Best Wishes,
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    Vanessa - Yes Hayley told me that once I crossed 10 I'll be able to join the 'boys locker room' too! Thanks for your message!

    Rianna - You all are more than fairly friendly, you're all simply wonderful

    Mikaela - Thank you, we really appreciate all the support so far

    Donni - Yes, there's so much information here! This site is such an invaluable resource, thanks again.

    **sorry about that Reine, won't happen again**
    Last edited by CallieH; 10-10-2011 at 09:26 AM. Reason: Autospell on Android had me spell Hayley wrong!

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    Hi Calvin, I'm so glad you joined!!! Welcome!
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    I managed to keep my big mouth shut for a change! I felt that most everyone gave good advise. I am glad to see the crisis was averted and Calvin and Hailey now have each other to build a strong relationship on. Now you all know why counselors make the big bucks.

    I lean over and whisper in Calvin's ear..... you got a keeper here, I hope you know that!

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    Reine - thank you much for everything

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