Male lesbians

[Sophie86]

The particular woman you are referring to may not have an issue with any LGBT thing, but remember that the majority of the women who are discussed here on these boards are not like your friend. You and I both know what she said was said in jest and that she did not think in any way that you were a lesbian (especially if she was bi...).

So you think this thread is a serious discussion about whether MtF CDs who prefer women are really females, and therefore are really lesbians. That's what you think the discussion is about?

But here is the point. When people come on these boards and cry about their SO not accepting them often it is because of something like what is being discussed here.

That's their problem. My SO likes me just fine, whether I jokingly refer to myself as a "male lesbian" or not.

When one says "I am a lesbian" it infers that they are homosexual (by definition). So it isn't a huge leap for the woman to then assume that somewhere along the line you really want to be a woman and what do women like sexually in 90% of the cases? Men.

No, I would say it's a huge freakin' leap to go from "I'm a 'male lesbian'" to "I'm a gay male." The former is obviously a way of saying, "When I'm dressed, I still like women." It has nothing to do with wanting a man.

I am sure if there were any lesbians on this board they would be offended with the flippancy in which men (yes look down you are a man) lay claim to something that they would not believe you have the right to claim.

And yet, my friend had no problem with flippantly applying the term to me. I think we should let lesbians speak for themselves. Some of them might have a sense of humor.

Suck it up people you are straight men.

NO!! REALLY???? Thank you for solving what has been a life-long puzzle for me!

When you say 'people', are you including all the pre-op TS's too? They're also men, because they have that anatomy? I'm sure they'll be happy to know that.

And I guess you also have a problem with the way we address each other using feminine pronouns, too, right? And the way we refer to each other as 'girl'? We're not really women, so we should not be entitled to those forms of address either, according to your logic.

In the British navy, back in the days of sailing ships, any officer in command of a sailing ship was addressed as 'Captain', regardless of whether he actually held that rank or not. He was considered a 'Captain by courtesy', though not by rank. It was bad form to refer to him any other way. On this board, I am a woman by courtesy. I expect to be referred to using feminine pronouns, and feminine nouns. Since I am a woman by courtesy, and I prefer sex with women, I am also a lesbian by courtesy.

Using courtesy, though, is always at your discretion.