Difference between transgendered and a crossdresser

[ameliabee]

What a shame that there is so much confusion, so much unnecessary bickering about this subject.
Calling another member stupid, and saying “it’s laughable that you made this stupid accusation”
Or using phrases like “pissed off” is sad and not necessary.

Are not the majority of us here just getting on with life and are happy to be us without a label?

SUZY

I agree with Suzy about something. O.o

This is weird.

The TG umbrella exists for better or for worse, even if only in academia for purposes of categorization and discussion.

What I don't get is that there are members of the LGB community who abhor the idea of T being included. The exclusion of others in our community by the transitioned TS crowd smacks of the same exclusionary behavior.

What I've observed, dealing with my local college-age queer population, is that it's not the transvestic fetishists co-opting transsexualism and our medical model, it's a bunch of feminine gays, lesbians, and fruit flies who think that being transgendered is trendy, never mind that none of them will ever transition. The trans* group is essentially a spinoff from the lesbian community - it's dominated by female assigned at birth genderqueers, with the occasional legit FtM. I'm the only MtF who has ever shown up in the history of that organization, and I'm disinclined to ever return. It seems as though 'T' is only accepted if one was FAB - femme-phobia runs rampant among gays, and transmisogyny is the order of the day among the rest of the queers.

This thread started going off track when it descended into a fight about whether TG was an umbrella and if so who should have the right to shelter under that umbrella.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if we have scared off JenniferLuvsPunk and never see her again.

I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that JenniferLuvsPink probably shouldn't have made this thread, given that zie could have found an answer to zir question with either google or a search through the archives on this site.

If I was going to troll a bunch of elderly and middle-aged transsexual women, this is precisely the sort of topic I would bring up. That, or ".xx caliber for self-defense?"

I do not think I have ever seen so much hipocracy as I have read here. Starting off with some women of transsexual history that berate CDers of fetish or other reasons. You may have a female gender identity, but your gender expression is so extremely masculine competative. There is not one ounce of female nurturing gender expression in uour soul. And you weep and complain about fem radicals (who are masculine gender expression also) who exclude you. All they are doing to you is what you are doin to CDers. The problem of bogotry of this sort is the bigot is so blinded by their bigotry they do not and will not understand their bigotry.

Gender essentialism much, hon'?

Transgender is an adjective that describes a group of people who are related to each other in
typical and subtypical ways. You can play the name game any way you want, but our general and specific relationships are determined by similar biological imperatives that can't be differentiated just because we talk about them in different ways.

Everyone is so perfectly special, we think. We all hate it when someone tries to invade our territory or usurp our identities, don't we? Some of us can't stand some of our family members or other people who are classed with us in ways that can't be denied. Oh well, too bad, so sad to say.

Transgender people (including crossdressers, transsexuals, and others) are related by blood not marriage or social convention. We can't divorce ourselves from each other by shining a light on our subordinate differences because our dominant similarities shine brighter. Transgender is the family name for all of us in the court of human nature. You can try to disown it in a lower court, but your petition will be overruled by a higher one.

If I liked dogma, I'd go to church.