Tracii,
I am so glad you are Ok..and safe.
One thing I don't think anyone remembers the old adage ...the one that usually starts the bashing...Is the one that secretly wants to be the one that is doing the activity that they are making fun of....
I think the leader secretly wants to dresss in public ....and doesnt have the b***s to go out dressed and wouldn't look half as good.
Just saying...
Take care of you.
To thine ownself be true.
Put out into the universe what you would like to receive in return, because it comes back like a boomerange in 3 fold! :Panda:
I know it seems like I am over moderating this thread but please do not post things that advocate a violent response to the situation. The forum does not condone violence and even though Tracii was placed in a situation that no one should be in and the threat of violence was there, the outcome was good. We should not imply that that kind of action by someone else should be met with similar violence.
Any posts from here on that advocate a violent response will be deleted and not edited. Thanks
And Tracii, I am happy it all worked out OK. I will disagree with Marleena on this and say that the police WERE the correct response. In most states there are hate crime laws. And even if the personal feelings of the police are against the TG community, they are sworn to protect ALL citizens.
Addendum: Don't start dissing any other group here either regardless of political leanings or religion...Got it????
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“Love isn't a state of perfect caring. It is an active noun like struggle. To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.” - Fred Rogers,
There are 2 things that happen. Conditioning is one. Legitimization is the other. If the conditioning is strong enough, it works to shape our opinions. However, legitimization removes the barriers that work to limit our actions. This is an important part as it can lead us to do something that we wouldn't otherwise.Originally Posted by Lorileah
Every group has a fringe that has taken the beliefs of that group to the edge. They still claim to be aligned with the group in some tenuous fashion, but what they believe is far removed from the mainstream for that group. In this context, you would have to wonder about the things that Rev. Fred Phelps or Michael Savage, for example, say in public. Many believe that seeing violence on TV, in movies and in video games can open the door for violent behavior on a personal level. Similarly, is it possible that inflammatory rhetoric can legitimize aggressive behavior?
From the descriptions here, it sounds like the perpetrators of this incident are not leaders of western critical thought. What they did was bullying behavior, but with a twist in that it was specifically directed at a sexual minority. Somewhere that linkage was made that this behavior was OK.
Note: I was not attempting to disparage anyone with either message. On the other hand, if these and other acts were just random B/S, we wouldn't have the need to define and track hate crimes.
Even among ourselves it starts to raise its head. Just like the "bubbas" in Tracies post that resorted to demeaning name calling..... we have people here on this site that feel a need to pigeon hole others. I agree with Lorileah. It needs to stop!
flatlander_48 & Badtranny .. Call it what you want "Conditioning or Legitimization" it's still taking the choice, or direction, of another person that differs from your own and putting it on public spectacle in a demeaning way. It's still just plain wrong.
I too am very conservative christian, I too have my political view points as well as my bias's. My radio is on every day. Doesn't make me any less of a person - any more than your leanings or persuasions (no matter how mainstream or fringe they may be) makes you.
Yes I am out to my family, friends and don't see where that matters one iota. Are you? Does this make one a better or worse person?
My grandmother always told me "If you can't say something nice.. don't say anything at all"
And now I went and blew it
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