Have you CONVINCED yourself that you’re a woman?

[PaulaQ]

What's the score on this thread - did any of the MtF CD's actually admit to being convinced that they were women?

You either feel that you’re a woman, or you really should’ve been a woman, or you really WANT to be a woman, for whatever reason, so you set out to convince yourself of this fact, regardless of the cost, no matter what it takes...

To me, that is the essence of transgender, and I can now better understand why TG individuals are so defensive about things – it takes a lot of effort, this convincing, and nothing will deter the person from attaining a state where there are NO doubts.

Is this really the cornerstone of the transgender experience, as Freddy mentions? And if it is, why haven't more MtF CD's 'fessed up that they, through a process, convinced themselves of this. And what could that mysterious process be.

So have we convinced ourselves, instead, that NO real MtF crossdresser then truly convinces themselves that they are women? I mean, why would they?

So who are these mysterious TG people to whom Freddy poses his question? They are not transsexuals, for lo, in Freddy's own words:

I cry when the transsexuals lug their viewpoints over into the MtF section and transpose them over whatever is being discussed, as if only THEIR opinion matters, changing the course of a thread and ruining the proceedings. Just sayin’…

That was posted in a thread I started, about crying.

From MY point of view, transsexuals don’t know the first thing about being “just a crossdresser,” but that doesn’t stop them from commenting in this section, does it? Let me tell you something, since you brought it up: I don’t care what it’s like to be TS, OK? I can only attempt to discuss things that I DO know, and MtF crossdressing happens to be one of them. This thread is NOT about being TS, being on the road to TS, or thinking like a transsexual.

So I'm puzzled by several things here. An obvious example of a transgender person who is convinced they are a woman would be a transsexual. But Freddy doesn't want to talk to us. (Apparently, also, 3 weeks on HRT makes me, a member since February and I think a relatively friendly one, an invader to this forum.)

I'm also confused by why I wouldn't understand what it's like to be "just a crossdresser?" That seems absurd. I've been crossdressing longer than Freddy has been alive! What's not to understand? Sneaking around? The shame? The guilt? Desperately wanting to convince myself that I'm just a guy with an unusual predilection? Am I missing something?

But anyway, the question remains, who are these mysterious TG persons who have convinced themselves that they are women, but are not TS? We could ask the rather rude question have TS people convinced themselves that they are the opposite gender, but Freddy doesn't want to talk to them so we'll never really know if that was implied in her OP or not. Clearly, TS is a non-issue, and has no place in this highly philosophical thread! And that's fine, but then who are these mythical transgendered self-convinced crossdressing men who believe they are women? Are they rarely spotted, like bigfoot, or unicorns, or leprechauns? And do they have magical properties? We may never know! (I'm sorry, I threw that last question in on my own!)

Fortunately, thanks to threads like this one (THANKS FREDDY!!!!) we can be sure that we are mostly here just manly, manly men, manly men who wear stockings, and garters, and heels and skirts. Manly, macho, manly men who love doing guy stuff and who masturbate into our panties and then feel just awful about it. Manly men, convinced that as long as we grasp and tug upon that slender reed of hope, that we are not women. Thus fortified, we can now get about the business of crossdressing - at least until laundry day.

So what of the original questions and point of this thread? Who knows - and why do you care anyway - you don't care - you just feel better knowing - "aaaaah" and "ok, not me then." Enjoy!

In the aftermath, I will usually gain a few new friends, and a few more lucky souls will inhabit Freddy’s island of ignorance. Casualties are to be expected in discussions like this, if truth is your ultimate goal…

I'm absolutely speechless at the honesty in the statement above - breathtaking. Just breathtaking! Oh, and a smattering of mathematical logic for you to consider with respect to the statement above:

if A then B
only implies B is true if A is true.
If A is false, then B may be either true, or false. Take your pick.

I can fully believe that Frederique, who obviously has a sensitive and artistic soul, suffers greatly from some of the responses in threads like these. And so to her, I dedicate this song - a song that always makes me think of sensitive artistic souls, tortured by their inner need to find truth and to put an order to this outlandish chaos that we call reality.

Consider it an olive branch. Watch the video, and marvel at the genius, and then think back on Freddy!