Quote Originally Posted by ~Joanne~ View Post
Yes, I also agree that for some it can't be afforded, is very dangerous, and some feel that only going so far is as far as they want to go but at the same time how can any of them be considered a woman? or even lay that claim? They can't. Since this is about Bruce, surely he can afford the surgery, so if he truly is a woman, then why not complete the process?
First help me out, what do you consider yourself? Cross dresser? Genderqueer? Transsexual? Guy who likes women's clothing?

Do you not get the whole spectrum of being TG? Let's break this down (and I am so much trying to be polite OK?)

If we are just talking transsexuals, people who are female inside (I hate that phrase too...) but were born male physically.

There are a whole spectrum of people who are transsexual. Some never have hormones or surgery. They are content living their lives as they are. You don't consider them women? (Ok all the non-hormone, non-surgical TSs, this person doesn't think you are real...anyone want the first shot?)

Moving along. Regardless of how much money you have you may decide that hormones are all you need. No surgery. Even IF you want the surgery there is a lot besides money you have to consider. They just don't let you walk in the front door of the hospital and say..."Transition me" Caitlyn may very well be one in that category. You don't consider us who are in process women? I may not have surgery, you want to tell me...to my face...that I am not a woman? There is a process we have to go through...you don't think I'm real? You don't think I know who I am? You better rethink what you are thinking. If you consider yourself a TS and you are dead set that surgery HAS to be the end result, you are a poor example of being TS. You've been here HOW long? If you are TS then why haven't you had the surgery.

OK let's move along. Some people (there are some on here) who have partial surgery, maybe just removing the testes. It may not be a financial decision, but they are no less a woman?

Some have the complete surgery... yay! they are women! but...they were before the surgery

This really just angers me to no end. Your definition of who is a woman and who isn't.



Keyword: ATTENTION. Is it good or bad though? How much of it is real? Let's look at it realistically, another round of facial surgery and the implants removed and she is back to bruce now isn't she?
First who are YOU to judge what she is thinking or doing? Put yourself in her place. How can you say that she isn't real, that she isn't living exactly what she is saying? Granted she is a public figure but what you are saying is mean spirited and very likely false. YOUR doubts about her are irrelevant. Very few who have done what she has done reverse it
I am not by any means saying that this would happen but look at the family he has been part of now for too many years to count.
Awesome guilt by association...way to go. Exactly what many people think of YOU. You look like a drag Queen, so you must be gay and a drag queen...right? There are clowns are perverts that get tagged as T...your a TG...therefore... This is absolutely the worst logic I have seen. You don't consider her feelings, you tag her because the people she is around are media stars.
Is it beneath them to do this just to get more attention? no, it isn't. The attention unfortunately isn't just on her, the K's are getting a lot of it too.
Please please never be in a position where someone in your family does something that may be questionable...because by gawd, you must not be above that same behavior.

there are a lot of unanswered questions, she wanted the limelight,
Yeah exactly why she waited what 20 years to come out...there needed to be a spotlight? She was in that spotlight 40 years ago
the only problem I havve had with this whole thing is claiming to be a woman and this quote: Caitlyn has done more for the TS cause than any other individual I know of.
OK lets play people who have advanced the trans cause...go...LaVerne Cox...easy but wait! She's on TV too...maybe she did it to get the part...Janet MocK... good now you named two...but how many in the straight world BEFORE Jenner knew about her? Oh...she is an author...maybe she came out to sell books....keep going...Chaz Bono...celebrity. there are several here on these boards who have fought for gender equality...but NOW they are getting noticed because....?

I am sure their are a lot more TG women out there that have done more for the community than Caitlyn has. To make such a claim should be backed up with some facts, other than posing for a magazine and having a big party for the last week, what has she done?!?!?!?!
The old, "what have you done for me lately" syndrome. This isn't a sprint. What is she supposed to do...you hammer the message daily, you start to be ignored...

So, if I may ask...What have YOU done for the TG cause lately?