Attractive, or "Meh - take it or leave it"

[Zooey]

I think Carly is incredibly honest. It wasn't an insult. Many people do that to me just trying in their minds to help.

There is a huge difference between acknowledging that women judge other women and my interpretation of what Carly said. We do judge - everybody does - but I don't know a single woman whose identity as a woman was ever defined by judging other women. Most of the women I'm close with (including myself) feel pretty damn guilty about how often we do it, usually in order to feel better about ourselves, because we were judged too. By other women, yes, but mostly by men.

I'm sorry if this is over the line, but IMO if you ever want to reassure a woman that MtF CDs are unquestionably men, just show them this thread (or the dozens with similar content).

Last I read, Carly is in therapy, considering transition, and hoping to be on HRT soon. I would strongly advise them to stick with the therapy and not rush into HRT, because I genuinely worry for anyone going into transition with such surface-level ideas of the worst aspects of womanhood defining, or even contributing significantly, to their identity as such. Just my $0.02.