I feel the need again to put the case for the few on this site who do not identify as women or get a sexual kick out of it. I get a buzz out of it in the same way someone hitting a good golf shot would. I do not wear make up (OK, sometimes lipstick) or a wig at home and go out less than I used to. Going out is like going on stage - there is a thrill but it is not a sexual one and it is refreshingly different to feel the breeze on your legs. These clothes thrill many women but not in a sexual way - why not some men? I look in the mirror and think "damn I look good" and a few women have said I look better in a dress than I do in male clothes. I agree that some CDs seem to get some kick out of going to the Ladies. Getting a thrill out of going to a toilet seems a bit weird to me. I have used a ladies, but only when I had to and just a handful of times in hundreds of trips out. Give us mere crossdressers a break. Some of us really are not trans or fetishistic.