Quote Originally Posted by Laura912 View Post
Leslie, now you've done gone and poked the hornets nest! Not too sure there is a parallel between the forces driving DADT and MGTOW. :2c:
Yes, that's me...guilty as charged! I'm not a huge fan of the namby-pamby, middle-of-the-road path of political correctness just because - God forbid! - some "inconvenient truths" might offend the more faint-of-heart out there.

Sure, some of Sandman's comments in the linked video might be a bit over-the-top when it comes to his spin on male-female relationship dynamics, but he does have the "cojones" to call a spade a spade. Like it or not, innate biological imperatives are at the root of what drives male and female behaviors when it comes to the relationship/mating dance, and the two camps often come at this from different directions - and certainly from the standpoint of their motivations. Fundamental to this are the associated power dynamics, the need for self-preservation, and the biological urge to keep procreating in order to ensure the survival of the species.

I may not agree with everything that Sandman and the MGTOW adherents proclaim when it comes to navigating the Mars/Venus minefield, but one thing I am convinced of... females - regardless of whether or not this is biologically or culturally induced, and rightly or wrongly - often see much of their worth and self-esteem tied to their perceived sexual attractiveness - or lack thereof.

There have been many debates on this forum as to whether or not our wives' and SOs' aversion to our crossdressing may be rooted in a "fear" of the alleged competition to their innate femininity that the crossdressing spouse represents. The GG's then invariably chime in to shoot that POV down in flames, and let those posters know in no uncertain terms just how full of sh*t they really are, and how no amount of external "female" trappings in the way we might be presenting ourselves is a substitute for the real deal. Fair enough, but then again, noted French author Simone de Beauvoir once famously declared "One is not born a woman; one becomes one"... but I digress.

So yes, while we may not realistically be competing with our wives and SO's on the "true, inborn femininity" playing field, our self-absorption with what we see as our particular feminine sides still sticks in their craws. Getting back to Sandman's point...and here is where I draw a parallel between DADT and some of the drivers behind the MGTOW movement - the fact that our attention is being directed away from them in favor of the "other woman" (in this case, our alter egos) is what drives our partners crazy, and they use every means at their disposal...guilt, shaming, threats of exposure etc. to subvert us in our endeavors and to try to re-assert their psychological control over us.