Good point Jodie
Good point Jodie
Jodie,
I'm sorry but I still don't agree , modern thinking has moved on , at least in the UK they don't associate one with the other , eventhough we come under the LGBTQ banner . More to the point are some of the comments others have made where some guys might be hoping to get some action with a trans girl but then some guys just can't help falling for anything in a skirt !
Equating fantasy with reality just doesn't work... at all. We have all fantasized about something that couldn't be possible or at least extremely unlikely in our lives. I've fantasized about piloting an F-18 but that doesn't even remotely make me a pilot. I've fantasized about being a star football player in the NFL but have never played a down in an organized/sanctioned game in my life. I'd bet the farm that there isn't a person on this board who hasn't fantasized about doing something that they would NEVER do in real life. So the two are totally separate.
Lacy PJs
Teresa, you don't agree with what, exactly? That the uninformed associate crossdressing with homosexuality?
Perhaps the UK is more enlightened than the US ( hell, I know it is! ), I've mentioned in other threads that I work in a place where they have little understanding, or tolerance for anything that isn't 'pure vanilla', and I hear the vicious comments that are made anytime there is a LGBT+ issue mentioned on the radio or an article in the newspaper.
They don't know about Jodie, and if they did, I'd be out of a job.
So even though your experience may be different, please do not disregard or devalue my experiences.
There is still rampant homophobia in the US, and all the "Political Correctness" movement did was to make go undercover.
The people at my job? They feel safe in expressing their true feelings because "we're all normal, right thinking folk" with none of those weirdos around.
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Jodi is right, none of the "old way of thinking" has gone away in America. It just had been subdued for a period of time.
I am pretty lucky, I live in a small Liberal town in the Pacific Northwest. So I feel safe walking into any business or any part of town regardless of how I am dressed.
But I don't fool myself into believing that this bubble I live in covers the whole world. Because I didn't have to go very far outside of town to not feel safe.
It is very odd that crossdressing and homosexuality are still confused when you think about it. Heterosexual crossdressing, particularly in the fetishistic sense, has been a well documented phenomenon since at least the Victorian era (the idea of a man being forced to wear corsets and petticoats by his GG SO is not a new idea, and such hetero crossdresser erotica was published even back then.) Sexologists were aware of heterosexual crossdressing, and wrote about it in professional journals of the day (and have since.) Talk shows in the 1980s often discussed heterosexual crossdressing. Somehow it didn't quite trickle down to the average person... but at least some people out there know the difference. Over the years, I have told a number of people about my dressing and some of them knew the difference.
As long as you are not in some way very closely
connected to the other person
, who cares , I think most are way past caring
If a person is gay , or wears pnnties or whatever
JAS
Good point but not always. Having a the same fantasy repeatedly usually leads to wanting to experience it in the real world. Dreams become goals to achieve whether it's an occupation or a sexual act. Furthermore, if one fantasizes about homosexual encounters without acting on them that person still isn't exactly totally straight. There will always be that inner conflict.
"You're the only one to see the changes you take yourself through", Stevie Wonder
I just don?t think in today?s day and age, that it matters
But it does... there are certain things I'd like to wear in public if it didn't matter to others... but it does... so I won't...
As many have mentioned previously, in many circles, crossdressing and and hence the assumption of being gay does affect ones social status, professional career and a host of other important things in life. Funny but as I lay awake in bed this AM, I thought to myself, "If I could, I'd feel comfortable going out to the kitchen then making & eating breakfast with my better half while wearing my baby doll pajamas." But since I don't want to run around the house with the shades all drawn, I got up and got dressed in my usual male attire. Why? Because where I live, it still DOES matter to some people in my circle of acquaintances.
Anyway... the reason I made the original post here was to open the discussion of what it might be like for us if we could wear what we wanted to wear all of the time without that prejudice of being considered a homosexual. Opinions have ranged far and wide with some being on topic while others have drifted a bit but it has been very interesting to read all of the responses and I hope there are several more before this one winds down.
Lacy PJs
I consider myself an effeminate gay. Yes, I dress as an androgynous person and I am happy being called a woman in public. When check out clerks mention about my items I just tell them they are for me as they fit better. I have no concerns what they think. If it supports the notion that gays are crossdressers than I plead guilty. I'm an effeminate gay, so I do as I do.
Although I believed I was hetero when I first began cross-dressing, it wasn't until within the last ten years that I accepted my bisexuality. I no longer dress because I make a better man than a woman (I lift weights '). So, for me, it took longer to accept my bisexualiy than it did to accept that I was a cross-dresser. But, i'm all the better for riding out the journey. I'm now attracted to submissive men who cross-dress to attract men like me. They could be gay, bisexual, gender fluid, etc.
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I went to a Carly Rae Jepsen pop concert at the Big E and there seemed to be just as many same sex couples as male/female couples. The Big E is the largest agricultural event on the East Coast.
It was an hour long dance party! I think they opened up the showers for anyone who needed to do that after the show.
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Just an observation - I find it a little peculiar that so many people on this forum vehemently deny being gay and re-enforce they are straight over and over. Perhaps some of that is because of misconceptions from uneducated people. But there is probably more going on lol.
I'm very attracted to men, especially when in Maya mode and fantasize about men sexually a lot.
Maya,
Why do you have to question it , I have no misconceptions and I'm educated enough to know my sexual preferences , some of my TG friends are BI , very few appear to be outwardly gay , we do have some interesting conversations and a little arm twisting goes on but I know the score and so do they . If you're not wired that way nothing is going to change it !
Thanks! I saw your original, and it was spot on!
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Not to hammer the point, but do you identify as gay? Or do you consider yourself straight, with the effeminate crossdressers being the 'gay' ones?
I am asking, because I know a man who identifies as "straight", even though he has no problem topping another man ( crossdressed or not ). His opinion being that, as long as he is "throwing" and not "catching", he is the hetero guy.
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I am closing this thread. It is going in a direction that was not intended by the OP.