Would you say a guy in a skirt not trying to M2F is crossdressing?Originally Posted by QZ2
This is the kind of stuff that pisses me off. Because somehow you believe it IS different when you do it.1. Agreed. Even if she is wearing pants tailored for men
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I believe it is different because of what "I" feel inside when I wear apparel made for men. I am not attempting to feel or express masculinity. To me, it really *is* more than just the clothes when it comes to crossdressing. I've always felt that "passing" isn't the root issue for a CD, it's about expressing what he OR she feels inside.
Ericka, I certainly would hope that we all here are accepting of others, but I keep seeing comments, (I gave one example already, and I'll give another below) that seem very derogatory regarding SO's or other GG's who do not dress to the CD's specific standards or wishes.
I even know a CD (not on this forum) who is *divorcing* his wife because she refuses to dress more feminine 'for him'. I'd love to see the look on the judge's face when the CD gives *this* reason for divorce. And I told him so. For the record, the wife knows he CD's, but does not wish to participate or be included.
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It is diffrent for Women GGs! They are allowed to, by our culture, to wear what ever the heck they want... We " CDs" for the most part, are not. Thats changing slowly. I'm pretty sure over time it will completely change for males. Just not tomorrow! LOL
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When I say a woman can wear anything and not be looked at twice. It's not me saying it's wrong or trying to stop GG's from wearing what they want to. It's the fact that GG's can wear whatever they wish to but a CD can't.
Look at it like this you can go to the mens wear dept at any store buy something and go home put it on and go about your buisiness. I on the other hand can't go to the womans dept and purchase an item and go home and put it on and go about my buisiness without being seen as a freak or weird for doing so.
So I in no way am trying to stop you or any other GG from wearing what you wish. I just want the same treatment and freedom to wear what i wish no matter what it is.
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Well, another Hot topic here.
There are times when enfemme in my small town that I wish more women wore dresses so that I wouldn't stand out so much.
There are times when in drab in my small town that I wish more men were overweight and wearing shorts so that I wouldn't stand out so much.
But I understand and affirm each individual's right to dress as they desire. My wife's and my fashion sense are very different. I do not attempt to force my fashions on her. She wears skirts occassionally and dresses rarely.
I like wearing a skirt, but many times wear shorts and jeans to blend in and because at times they are more utilitarian. I still very much feel like a woman. The skirts and dresses are nice and feminine, but it's what's inside that makes me feel like a woman.
If I decide to wear a gypsy skirt and tunic top to run errands around town, but most women are wearing shorts or capris, then I do. If I want to throw on a pair of jeans and a shell then that's what I wear.
So wear what you want, and I'll wear what I want.
Love,
Jenna
It is diffrent for Women GGs! They are allowed to, by our culture, to wear what ever the heck they want... We " CDs" for the most part, are not. Thats changing slowly. I'm pretty sure over time it will completely change for males. Just not tomorrow! LOL
Correct, but this has not always been so.
But on the other hand, men have always had the right to vote.
Females' freedom to wear what we choose didn't happen over night, and my "ForeMothers" were in the trenches fighting for the rights I now have.
I think MEN should also be allowed to "wear whatever the heck they want". I sincerely hope it happens sooner rather than later.
Your also correct!
My Father's Father's fought in the wars before women were able to. But that has nothing to do with clothing either like "voting rights"! It's like you said exactly, your Mother's Mother's fought for the rights to do certain things. One of those was to wear pants! LOL
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Haley P. Kemp
Clothing does not make the person, I think you should be free to wear whatever is comfortable for you. Society judges too much on appearance. There are truly more important matters to worry about.
Instead of agueing about who can wear what, Can't we all live as a great big family?The world needs more peace...BJ
I think that translates as 'They aren't wearing what I want them to wear, for me to look at'.
Well, ok, fine, lets get all the GGs to wear what you want them to. This will usually involve skirts and dresses. In return, men can wear what women want them to wear. This will probably not involve crossdressing. Is this an acceptable agreement, or would it perhaps be better for everyone to wear what they want?
In terms of crossdressing, I think women being able to wear trousers would have make it harder for FTM CDs, since trousers have ceased to be a visible sign of masculinity. If men were able to wear skirts and dresses, or further, if clothes ceased to have gender, it'd make it harder for all CDs by removing a useful visual CDing aid. That's my feeling of what equal clothing rights would do, rather than what's actually desired, which is 'being able to crossdress without any problem' which is a different thing. I don't deny anyone any rights, but I think that's what'd happen.
Just my tuppence 'apenny.
I agree totally with every word you said Maria.
I've often pondered what would happen if the headlines in the morning read:
OK FOR MALES TO WEAR FEMALE ATTIRE
Would the loss of the "taboo" element take all the fun out of it for some?
And your remark about F2M's is spot on! That's exactly why I think the path they walk is more difficult.
i just like to see an attractive woman dressup in skirts and dresses and makeup once in awhile, so i can appreciate all that is about...it's not criticism and it's fine if women don't want to do it...i can always to to the mall other shopping area to get the visual fix i enjoy...lots of dressed up gals there! Of course, women are also attractive in pants *back zip are sooo hot!*, denin, camo, sweats, etc...
I think it's only the cd's with ...other issues... that actually criticize women for what they wear or don't wear...and that is their opinion, but it is not the opinion of the majority of cd's i've known. We like women and their clothes and their whole essence too much to be so critical...
please... judge not the many by the words of a few....Luv!
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Women should be able to wear whatever they want. Men should be able to wear whatever they want.
Wouldn't a dress/skirt without hose be cooler than a skort?
I love those sleeveless blouses/tops, whatever you call them. I just told my wife a week ago, men should be able to wear those. The appear cool in temperature.
I, for one, have my own reasoning for wanting women to wear dresses and it's not stepping on anyones neck. I appreciate women in dresses and skirts. Very simple. It makes them more feminine. It appeals to me. It's attractive. It's ...
So, I'd like to see more of them, yes. Doesn't mean you can't wear anything else. I also, have another selfish reason for wanting more women to wear more skirts and dresses. As a CDer, I like to go out. I like to blend in as best as I can as a regular woman. I, typically, like to wear a dress or a skirt when I do so. As a genetic man, why would I want to wear pants while going the rest of the distance? But, I digress. If I go out in a dress or skirt, chances are I will look and feel more feminine, that's good. However, wearing a dress or a skirt, since rarely worn by others, now has become similar to spotting an endangered species. So, the attraction is placed on me, when all I want to do is feel and be feminine without causing a scene. Ironically, we are an endangered species. We are out there, no one really knows how many of us there are, yet we certainly are in danger from the common man.
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Sophia,
I well understand the desire for more women to wear dresses to enable you to "blend in". But is it fair to pressure the GG's (whether it's your wife or GG Public) to comform to your desires or wishes in order to achieve this for you?
This is what I meant by "stepping on necks".
I have a very specific reason for disliking dresses and skirts worn frequently. As a Pentecostal minister's daughter, I was forbidden to wear ANYthing remotely resembling male clothing until I married and left home. I was ridiculed and outcast by many in school because I couldn't wear shorts in P.E., and miniskirts were all the rage back then. I couldn't do that either, but I did find a way to blend in more. I made all my clothes back then, and I started wearing a lot of skirts, and would roll them up at the waistband as soon as I got on the school bus. You see, I *do* understand the desire to blend in. But never did I feel everyone else should abstain from wearing mini skirts and pants so "I" wouldn't stand out like a sore thumb.
I now wear dresses when I want to dress up, not because someone else thinks I should.
And no, a dress sans the hose is not cooler than a skort. Add to that the fact that my job requires that some days I am in and out of a vehicle all day~not very graceful in a dress.
P.S. The sleeveless blouse is called a "shell".
No, absolutely not fair. I would not do such a thing. My wife hates wearing dresses. I understand your excuse. Can't figure hers.
Wow, learning all the time. A skort is cooler. I get the car thing, makes sense. Function over fashion. And it's called a shell. So many terms/names! Maybe I'll go back to trying to be just a guy. Shirt and pants, done.
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Vanya, I can see your point. As far as I'm concerned there are no "standards". Anyone who tries to make them is no better than the "world" who does not accept them for who they wish to be. If you set CD or any other kind of "standards" you are no better than the people you are fighting against. I love everyone on this Forum. Diversity is what makes the world go around, otherwise we would all be clones of some sort. I celebrate everyone's individuality, it's time everyone else did also. The person you are inside is the one that counts, regardless of what you choose to look like. Can I explain it any simpler? Love,Ericka
Whinging..... moaning...... blah blah blah..... posts like this piss me off because people like you DON'T GET IT!!!!! Most GG's that wear male clothing AREN'T TRYING TO BE MALE.... do you GET THAT??? or is it really bloody rocket science???
Sheesh..... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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I'M NOT TRYING TO BE FEMALE... don't you get it? It's not rocket science.
I don't wear a wig.
I don't wear makeup.
I don't wear bras.
Though I don't try to pass, ( I could with ease ) maybe I don't belong here? But I will say I still get stares and looks. But I guess you wouldn't understand because you don't get those types of looks and stares.
Well, I get the "is that a boy or a girl?" look every day - but then, I am trying to pass. Does it bother me? Depends on my mood. Some days I wish people weren't questioning me with their eyes, but some days I think I must be doing something right if it keeps them wondering. :p
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To gently guide us back on topic, allow me to explain it this way:
I have a friend who is a substitute school teacher. (union job)
Substitutes have few to none when it comes to benefits.
Every year, when it comes time to negotiate the contract, the topic arises regarding benefits for the subs. Every year it becomes a battle. The full time teachers' positions are:
"Sure, we all want the subs to have more, but NOT if it means we have to give up any of OUR benefits as negotiating tools. We fought TOO hard and TOO long for our rights. We paid our dues, we were subs once too."
Putting it in that context, hopefully the CD's (read substitutes) can understand my feelings as a GG (read full time teacher).
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