Quote Originally Posted by Barbara4242 View Post
Sorry, Marina, but we'll have to agree to disagree -- hopefully without being disagreeable. Your first sentence labeled a vast majority of mtf heterosexual CDers as being, to some degree, transsexual. The hormone bath/wash does not solely apply to transsexualism at all. It applies to both core gender identity and gender role identity, which are absolutely different. I think you'll agree that we could literally write volumes on this subject and still not reach a satisfactory conclusion.

From things you have posted, I get the sense that you don't accept that someone can be anatomically male AND male in core gender identity, yet have a subjective dichotomy that presents a feminine aspect of their root psyche as it relates to gender role identity. A clear distinction must, therefore, be made between core gender identity and gender role indentity, just as we must distinguish between the subjective and the objective, and that whch is congruus from the incongruous.

A prenatal hormonal milieu DOES occur and determines, to some degree, gender identity. What is unknown is the formation of an unconflicted gender identity and gender role. There is ambiguity within the controlled scientific data . . . for example, most children with gender identity conflicts do not develop into transsexual adults.

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No problem with agreeing to disagree.
No, I dont think that the vast majority of mtf hetro CDers are Transexual (to a degree)---I stated that those TWO theories in question only applied to CDing that had a TS element while not addressing other possible root causes.

I think the "hormone wash" leads to a CONGENITAL degree of TS that can cause a range of full blown TS or to milder cases---leaving sexuality intact while affecting only the gender idenity. Those such affected may be prone to urges to CD. But like I said above, this is only ONE of several different conditions, congenital or not, that may lead to CDing.

Obviously, things are not as simple as they seem---as you point out There are several different M/F idenity elements, which if "togled" the 'wrong" way can lead to various identity "problems" some of which seem contradictory. This is why I look at what you have to say seriously. I am STILL working on identifying these elements. So far I have recognized, the SEXUALITY element (hetro vs Homo), The GENDER element(Male vs Female---perhaps this may be related to gender ROLE too)
There are also other identity elements---the PERSONAL element (the "Me") and the HUMAN vs ANIMAL element and the ANIMATE vs INANIMATE.

I beleive that prenatal hormones "SET" the identity elements to a "default" and can result in both biological inapproprate settings or also an odd admixture---Hetro Male with gender a female identity for example---as opposed to the true TS with a "Homosexual" sexuality with a Female gender identity.----Of course these two types are prone to CD---but these arent the ONLY causes of CD.(my MAIN point)

I do not think that there is any DIRECT genetic cause for TS related CDing or even transsexuality itself--provided the single XY cromosones are present, but rather an inhereted predispotition, on the part of the MOTHER to cycle hormones incorrectly when pregnant.