The 16 yo in Germany got her SRS on Insurance because it was defined as an illness!Originally Posted by micheletv
GID isn't a mental illness. It is defined in the DSM only for the purposes of being readily available for 'professionals' to have some guide.
GID could be considered a mental condition. After all, the brain is hormonally programed to be one way whilst the body is another way. After birth, maybe it is an illness or a congenital disease. It's definitely congenital. But a disease? No, it doesn't qualify a one. A 'Syndrome' maybe.
But it's not a mental illness.
It is important to note though, that many TS people can have, and it is typical, to have one or more mental illness conditions. Depression is a mental illness. Treating a TS for depression symptoms will not treat the Gender Dysphoria. If the GID isn't treated, then the depression remains, even if you take 10,000 megagram of Anti Depressants each day.
Not quite. Cross Dressing is 'what you do' being TS is 'what you are' labeled as.so as many point out, why define it?...its just what you do.....i repeat...its what you do!!!!
The difference between being TS and CD is simple. One is what you want to do - dress - and you will talk about dressing. One is what you are - the clothes are just a social convenience.
Firstly you don't 'dress' and wonder if you are TS. You can wear anything you like, but you will still be TS.i'm very interested in this topic....when i go out and hang out with t-friends that are anything but post-op women....we talk on and on about this...why? why me? poor me, what will i tell my wife, what am i? am i really ts? etc etc..
Your t-friends talk about 'it' because some are seeking justification of their denial. Usually, from my experience, the denial is their sexuality, not their gender.
CD's who are OUT to wives, children, workplace, family etc have no issue. They don't pend hours talking about how to keep it secret, how to avoid their stash of clothes being found. Actually CDs who are out are pretty dull ordinary every day people. They just take a bit more care with their appearance, be it male or female, and tend to be more sensitive.
TVs however are orientation confused - at least in my experience. "How do I tell my wife I dress in women's clothes" is the least of their worries, as they gasp the words between thrust of their male partner. I'd be more concerned about them telling their wive that the business meeting on the other side of town on Friday night was a bloke orgy. The women clothes are jut the justification so they can 'do it' with a man. Well they are a woman afterall, and women have ex with men - right? So they aren't gay, they are straight married males.
(Yes I have a problem with these TV men! At least I can admit it! I think it's the denial and deceptiveness of them, that affects me, their wives and their families that annoys me so much. Then they have the nerve to lie to add to it!)
Being different is never easy. Society has for years, through religious pressure created 'perceptions' of sexuality, gender and what is 'accepted' - at least accepted by their narrow mindedness!
GOD did afterall make us as we are, otherwise, blame the parents for the faulty genes, gender, sexuality, not me, and certainly not God.
I was just thinking.
I want SRS because it will make me right. I will no longer have to have seedy secret sex with men because it's the only sex I can get - and in the 'male' form, I'd be having gay sex.
Post SRS, I'd be having straight sex and those seedy men who want sex with a penis won't be interested in me, but men who want to have sex with a woman will be.
Problem solved! A TV is not going to want to have straight sex without a penis! A CD tends not to have a sexual connection to dressing and most are straight and not interested in sex with a man anyway. Some are bi, and the ones I know, their wives know too.
What is a Post Op Woman?when i go out with post op women we talk about music, movies, sports, our families....etc....outside of trans related politics, i've cant recall this type of discussion among a group post - ops.....of course, knowing my situation, i do get lots and lots of advice from post op women...
I know what a Post Op M2F Transsexual is - she is a woman.
I sympathies with 'Post Op' F2M Transsexuals, but they are just Men. Even if the 'Op' part is grossly lacking.
The reason you have a totally different discussion is because people who are clear in themselves don't need to ask about how to label themselves, or what others think they are, or how to tell their wives what they are.
I'm even starting to limit my use of "I'm a TS IS Pre Op" to just in the TS circles where it is a little important so other TS people can share relevant information with me. To the rest of the people I deal with at school, college, shops, business, government, I'm just a woman. Unless I can use that TS label for some advantage
And I don't talk about non stop TS thing with everyone in my life. Not even my TS friends! Far too many other things to talk about! OK sure well pass on something of interest, but it doesn't dominate the conversation time.
here's a tidbit from one....she said something like ..."i feel like i was on a long train ride, <snip>"
Pretty terrible analogy. Well from my perspective it is. You don't 'get off at a stop' and suddenly you are a woman.
If train trips changed peoples lives so irreversibly dramatically then every time someone went to work or arrived home they'd be a different person!
But really you aren't on a train. The journey is a life journey. It's not a 'leg' of a journey that has a start and end. Your journey started when you were born and will go through many transition till the day you die.does that sound like what you want?...i myself can't wait to get off on my stop....it certainly didnt deter me from my course...of course, i can't get off the train if i wanted!!!!!!
Transition itself in the narrow view of a TS is only one leg of a major project. Once you get off that 'train' after SRS, you have Mount Everast to climb. There is no train taking you up there.
Wow, mid life crisis! Traumatic Event! Intense period of life and some major change occurs.for me it was the pile up of life experience that finally broke my male spirit, which for me, was just a mirage....being a guy is great...IF YOU"RE A GUY!!!!!!!!!!! over time, everything about my male life weighed on my more and more and as melissa pointed out....its not Bull@)#T, its hard hard stuff, it was totally devasting to me to have all of my inner defenses fall apart ...inner defenses built around shame, guilt, and dare i say male obligation (guys just don't do this!!!) these are powerful emotions and not easily dealt with.....
I read all of those in some people who try and tell me they are TS! What's interesting is that only 20% of people who front up and follow the 2 year RLT, Therapy, Approval for Surgery, Save the bucks - actually HAVE Surgery. The other 80% realise at the last minute, that they have been kidding themselves. (The 80/20 is quoted as coming from CHX in London)
Guy Just Don't Do This?
What is it guy's don't do?
Dress as Woman?
Got out on the town dresses as woman?
Have sex with men?
Um, that would be CDs and TVs.
The only thing guys don't do is have sex without a penis!
BTW I was referring generally above, not having a dig at you Michelle! Only because your next paragraph says something different.
Well I can relate to that. Mine never did. I had to study men and how they acted and mimic that. When people said "Men don't act like that" I'd adapt. When people say "Men are always wanting sex" I just always wanted sex. I just drew a line at drugs, getting drunk and group masturbation.so i totally broke down and i know lots of you have as well, and as i come up out of it, i'm still very lonely and emotional and the ups and downs are many....but i keep going!!! for MY OWN reasons....i'm DOING MY THING, and you can define me any way you want...i know genetically i was born a man, but my brain will not allow me to function as a guy...
The only things slowing you down are you. No one else.every time something happens to slow down my seemingly endless transition (i only started hrt in july heh), makes me miserable and brings back all that gender dysphoria...
The Gender Dysphoria will haunt you till you accept you are not Dyshphoric any more. Hormones and SRS aren't really going to do that for you.
If Hormones 'treated' Dyphoria then the 'Take a Pill' solution is found.
I don't have Gender Dysphoria in my own mind because I accepted I'm a woman. I am a woman socially. I am a woman in my home. Hormones didn't make that happen for me. My decisions to release the act of what I was told to be, and to be myself, did it for me.
Hormones are correcting by body hormone dominance, and fixing a little, the damage done by my hormone therapy as a child.
SRS won't fix me. In my case it will repair the surgery I was given as a child. In other cases it brings the body into alignment with the brain.
Remember too, the Brain has for many year 'trained' to operate the male genitals. After SRS your brain re-trains.
If your brain has been working over time to 'operate machinery it was not designed to operate' imagine the relief on the brain that now all the right things are in place!
