Quote Originally Posted by cindym5_04 View Post
I think that one can always argue points of logic, scientific facts, hypotheses, and this and that study and say it's only this/that and if/then. Just like with compiling data and putting it into a computer and finding out the outcome, there's one point that's missing from all of it- the human factor. Studies, ethical logic (depending on which form of ethics you study and believe in), and other forms of data cannot, however, determine human emotion.
I thought neurology did, with all those loveley FMRI scans. Like the ones proving TS brains are wired differently, or that Gay male brains have emotional reactions closer to straight female brains?

I honestly believe at this point, the thread needs to go ahead and be closed because I can see from here on out that there's going to be more bashing and people's blood boiling more and more over this.
But if we ignore important things because they make us uncomfortable we'll never progress, never make things better. Uncomfortable truths do need to be faced once in a while, and that applies to CDs GGs and all the rest.

MOST of us agree that we do appreciate our SO's and the GGs that come into the forum.
Of course.

Everyone has a right to their own opinion.
But not every opinion is equally true to the real world, just truly that persons opinion. A differing opinion wont make the world flat or the moon cheese.

I don't feel, though, at the same time that waving around "my extensive studies in the field" and trying to throw an advanced education in front of anyone and make implications that we are not smart enough to discuss the matter helps at all.
I did not say that. My points were not 'arguments from authority'. But theres been plenty of anti-intellectualism bandied around. I've taken more punches to the face from anti-intellectuals than I ever did from transphobes. It's a bigotry too. I'm also self-educated I should point out and spent my life below the poverty line and have friends who are learning-challnged who I respect a great deal.

Seriously. Enough is enough.
Your right. Something as vitally important as this kind of subject, no matter how discomforting it may be, should not be derailed by ad-hominem personal attacks, anti-intellectualism or double-standards.

That CDs often still hide their CDing from their wives is equally challenging, equally complex, equally emotive and my thread pales into insignificance with the niceness of my actual points specially compared to the genuinely judging and critical posts often associated with that subject.

So far no-one has said one thing against my actual argument. And while most of the statements have been against me for things I didn't say or even at all imply if my exploratory argument is valid no matter what then we may have to come to terms with whatever those implications that do come from it are no matter how unsettling.