Autogynephilia, anybody?

[ReineD]

His " Autogynephilia" boils down to everybody who does anything that even remotely falls under his catch all psycho-babble-bullshit rhetoric theory is either one or the other.

I understand your anger. There are many people in the TG community who share it. But, as you point out and others do as well, Blanchard's error was in classifying TSs into one of only two categories: homosexual or hetero-autogynephilic. I agree it is not as simple as that. I also do not believe Blanchard extended his theory to include CDs.

But, if you take your focus off of Blanchard's conclusions and just look at the term autogynephilia alone, it does apply to many CDs. There are many CDs whose preferred form of sexual release is through masturbation while fantasizing. There are many marriages where the wife after some years does not feel she is enough for her husband. It is hard to say whether the husband's loss of libido with his wife is due to aging, or whether it has switched to wanting to masturbate while thinking of his femme self.

This is an issue that is of great concern in many heterosexual relationships and it should be discussed. If the CD is single, it does not present a problem, unless of course he wants to develop a relationship with a GG and he finds that he cannot.

So please, for this discussion do not think of it as a definition of who Blanchard thinks TSs are or are not, but as a real condition, an aspect some CDs' sexuality that does very much exist, which BTW brings us back to the OP. The original post has nothing to do with debating where the term was first coined and by who and how it was correctly or incorrectly applied. The OP asked input from others who also relate to feeling this way, and whether others feel there is a difference between a sexual turn-on over the clothes vs. the self as a woman.

I'd personally love input as to how the wife fits into all of this.

[Sammy777]

If the CD is single, it does not present a problem, unless of course he wants to develop a relationship with a GG and he finds that he cannot.

Well here lies another problem in his "theory".
According to him - Anyone who falls under the second category of non-homosexual / autogynephilia is only doing it so they can have sex with themselves.

According to him - these people once post-op will have no want or need to find a sexual partner because their preferred sexual partner is now themselves and they [all] will end up alone.

Once again proving that all his work is centered around SEX and who you are [or aren't] having it with.

And also why he completely omits F2M TS' because he can't neatly put them into his slot A or slot B theory.

PS:

The OP asked input from others who also relate to feeling this way, to whether there is a difference between a sexual turn-on over the clothes or the self as a woman.[/i]

OK. Well what if ones sexual feelings/thoughs have nothing to do with the wearing of the clothes or the though of ones self as a woman??

Who knows?
Maybe I'm the odd duck here, the monkey in the wrench, the fly in the ointment.
But the though of being sexually turned on by the woman I see in myself is just as,
if not more creepy then the though of me being sexually turned on by my sister.

[ReineD]

Sam, I was editing my post while you replied. Would you please go back and read my last 2 paragraphs.

Oops, never mind, you edited too. :p

OK. Well what if ones sexual feelings/thoughs have nothing to do with the wearing of the clothes or the though of ones self as a woman??

Then I would say that this thread has nothing to do with you since you do not relate to feeling this way, and you can simply say so and move on.

But many others in this forum do relate, and as with everything, it is best not to put down how other people feel when they feel differently than you do. Blanchard's limited definition of a transsexual's sexuality is not in question here.

The question is how others relate or cope with being autogynephilic to any degree.

[Sammy777]

Sam, I was editing my post while you replied. Would you please go back and read my last 2 paragraphs.

Oops, never mind, you edited too. :p

And edited some more, so hit refresh again, lol.

[ReineD]

Geez, we've got to stop meeting like this. I edited too. lol

[Sammy777]

Geez, we've got to stop meeting like this. I edited too. lol

DAMN!!!!! I was going to write that....... OK Im going to get coffee and not post or edit for 10 minutes

[TGMarla]

Thank you, Reine.

Blanchard merely identified the trait. His expanded theory may be way off-base, but that does not negate the existence of the trait in many trans people, TS or CD or whatever.

The fact that for centuries, man incorrectly thought that the Sun revolved around the Earth did not mean that they did not exist, and that they did not have some kind of relationship to each other. Simply because Blanchard was way off-base in many of his theories does not mean that AGP does not exist and is not valid.

So back to Ruth's original post....yes Ruth. A lot of us feel that way.

[ReineD]

And thank you, Marla. So yes, back to the OP, and if Ruth doesn't mind my asking, how does the wife fit into all of this if a married CD is autogynephilic?

[Sammy777]

Blanchard merely identified the trait.

His expanded theory may be way off-base, but that does not negate the existence of the trait in many trans people, TS or CD or whatever.

Simply because Blanchard was way off-base in many of his theories does not mean that AGP does not exist and is not valid.

I'm not saying it does not exist or is not valid.
After all, all he did was just completely rip off the definition of a "Fetishist Crossdresser"
and just slightly twist it so it would conform to TS' that didn't fit into his original "All TS's are really just Gay Men" theory.

Hiding and Omitting ALL F2M TS was hard enough.

But hiding any TS that happen to like women was to hard for even him I guess!!
So he had to scurry like a rat running from a sinking ship to come up with something, anything that would help his original theory still hold water [ya right, lol] but still explained these strange freaks of nature that were interfering with his original freaks of nature.

Because, after all, why would a person who CD'es want such a term as AGP when they already had the same thing. Unless of course the newer term just sounded better.
Which makes about as much sense as his body of work. :D

PS:
If back pedaling was an Olympic Sport I'm sure you'd have a shot at the Gold.

Did I mention I have a black belt in Sarcasm ..... and the boots to match