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    This is my first post here. I've cruised the forums for awhile, but this particular story made me want to join in.

    I had a similar situation. I was crossdressing a lot when my now ex-wife and I first met. Suddenly, the desire went away. I was enthralled with her and lost the desire to altogether. When we decided to move in together, I purged all of my wigs, clothes, boots, shoes, etc... Several thousands of dollars of clothes just tossed out. I obviously regret it now. I'd love to have some of those outfits/shoes/boots back. I never told her about my CDing because I (just like many others have) felt like it was something I had outgrown and that my new found relationship was the answer to filling the void I had felt before. Crossdressing was just something I did to try to fill that void. Although, I would help her go shop and I spent a massive amount of money on lingerie , clothes, panties, bras, outfits, shoes, boots, etc. for her as I just loved the way they looked and loved the way they looked and felt on her body. Still, I wasn't dressing.

    Her friends when we first met were all into the Rave/club scene and were big on "E" and the entire dance scene as was she. I myself, was take it or leave it with the entire idea, but I was friendly and fun and it was never a problem. Many of her friends had various "social stigmas" (for lack of a better word) attached to them... Gay, Bi, Swingers, Adulterers, Strippers, etc.. DISCLAIMER - I'M NOT SAYING THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH THOSE THINGS. I'm merely making a point that a lot of society has not embraced most of those lifestyles and many think that some are taboo or reckless. Case-and-point... This is a forum for advice on Crossdressing. Argument made-point proven. Now, back to the story.

    Although she wasn't really into any of those things/lifestyles, she never held any of it against those she was friends with and appreciated them for the person that they were and the way they treated her. Which is the way I've always been. She accepted them entirely and had a very laissez faire attitude in regards to everyone. We stopped doing those things for the most part after tying the knot. We had been married for about 2 years when we got invited out with her old crew. We went out to a party and rolled. We were back home, getting along, and laying in bed- all was good with the world and just like many times when on "E", you begin to talk and have extremely in-depth conversations about life. So, as our talks got more and more intimate, and I began to think about how accepting she was of everyone else and their lifestyles, I thought mentioning that I had crossdressed before would take us to a new level of honesty and trust and that I had completely overlooked all-along the fact that she was so accepting of everyone else that this wouldn't be a problem. Well, I couldn't have been more wrong. I let it the cat out of the bag about my prior crossdressing. I hadn't even gone in depth regarding makeup, shaving legs, wigs, breast forms, how much money I had spent on my femme clothes, practicing femme walk, and the late night walks/drives for thrill. Immediately she had a repulsed look on her face and the entire mood of the room changed. a countless number of questions followed... How long? Are you still doing it? What types of clothes? Did you talk like a girl? Who else knows? and of course, ... Are you gay? Which was followed by Have you ever been with a man? Are you lying to me? Have you ever kissed another man? etc...

    Immediately, my manhood and character where tried and convicted without any chance to give an explanation. The woman who accepted ALL of her friends and their lifestyles, was suddenly the most obtuse and critical person I had ever encountered. It was awkward for a few days and we just sort of never talked about it or brought it up, but her view of me had changed. Our sex life started to suffer. It was then that I started dressing again using her clothes. I would steal a panty here, a panty there, etc.. and my stress and anxiety started to diminish. Eventually, I sat down and tried to explain why I dressed and how much I loved the feel of satin, vinyl, leather, etc.. Hence my name Shiny-J. So, she begrudgingly accepted it and as I spent hours reiterating my love for her, she came around.. kind of.... She said that I could wear panties and said she would take me shopping to find them. Well, I picked out the ones with bows and bikini/thong style, etc.. She said they were too femme and she chose some that were just a blah brief but at least they still the satin/nylon/lycra feel.

    I would still take her shopping for lingerie and she would see some that were really ****ty and shiny and say "I'll bet you love these right?" and she would roll her eyes and smile with an annoyed, but endearing expression and toss them in the basket. When she wasn't looking, I would throw some in there too that I wanted and then carry the basket around the store. When it was time to pay, I would tell her I was thirsty and ask her to run to the mall food court and grab me a soda. Then, I could get my things along with hers without her knowing. I stashed them and kept it well-hidden from her. Although things were going better, they still weren't quite right. And I always felt like something was a little off. As time went on, it did gradually get better but whenever we had a normal married couple argument, the CDing always came up if it got too heated.

    Also, when we did make love, I always wanted to wear the panties which bothered her immensely. I just loved the feel of them against my skin. The sex was the same as always, it was just panties I wanted to throw in. I tried to back of off it, but I noticed that sexually, she became more and more distant and reserved and just not that into it. Fights were getting more and more frequent and the fire started to fade. When we did have sex, it was usually drunken makeup sex after a fight. In fact, the only time I've ever CD in front of anyone was during one of those drunken sexcapades. I stumbled into the other room where she kept her clothes and put on a vinyl teddy, thigh highs, opera gloves, a red vinyl thong, and red thigh high boots and walked into the room and we had some of the wildest, longest sex ever. She was ecstatic and so was I. When we were done, she told me she loved it and rubbed her hands all over the me in the clothes and we drifted off to sleep very much in love. Well, passed out is more like it. When she woke up the next morning and saw me laying next to her in the outfit, she flipped out. So, there's my lone experience of being dressed around someone. Sorry to ramble, but I needed to get it off my chest... I apologize.

    Now, to the point. We separated and eventually got the divorce. Within a few months of living on my own, I was in need of a new closet for my femme wardrobe. Now, I CD and it feels good, but it's just to fill up that void again. We get along and try to stay friends, but anytime there is an argument, she threatens to tell about my CDing. Luckily, we didn't have children, but in the beginning I did get the threats of her telling friends and family and telling coworkers. It was blackmail. Same as you. She actually tried to say it to some friends early on in the split, but I blew it off and just said she was nuts. If nobody has any proof, then it just looks like she's crazy making accusations against you to try to gain leverage in a battle for mutual friends. She comes off looking like the one with a "problem".

    Personally, she's in the wrong. Since I was a small child, I was taught to appreciate people for what they were on the inside and not the outside. I was taught as a small child to not make fun of others because their clothes were different or not made by an expensive designer. As a ****ing child I was taught this! What's more superficial than clothes? I can't count how many times I heard women in person, on TV, in books, movies, magazine articles, etc. complain that "their man doesn't look at them the same way because they got older, gained some weight, got a few gray hairs, etc. and "Why can't he love me for who I am on the inside?" After my situation and hearing yours and many others like it, I would love to see the reactions of every woman that has ever asked those questions if they saw their hubby/boyfriend walk out in full drag and say that they were a crossdresser. My guess is that at LEAST 90% would get the same reaction the OP and myself had.

    I hope you find peace and that both of you find your way back to each other. I hope that if it doesn't work out, that you view it as her that caused it all to end. That may sound like some odd advice, but I just look at it in terms of my own situation. My marriage was happy and good and I tried to open up and just tell her about something I had DONE. I wasn't dressing at the time... I just told her I had done it before and it was essentially a dealbreaker for her. It just took a few years for it to break all the way. If she would've been more understanding, she could've had her dream marriage.

    Crossdressing is completely superficial and innocuous. at least in my case. I never did anything that deserved her level of disgust and I don't think that you did either.

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    Whew! Everyone seems to have weighed in on this, but one thing seems to have gone unsaid so far.

    Samantha, you need to know that a whole lot of us, CD's, GG's, and whatever, feel for you and care about you at this difficult time.

    Please consider this to be a virtual hug, delivered over the miles that may lie between us.

    You and your wife and your family will be in our thoughts and in our prayers.

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    SHINY-J I don't agree with some of what you posted, and I do agree with some of what you posted. Regardless, I just wanted to say THANK YOU for such a long, well thought out post. Welcome to the forum!

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    wow Samantha

    i really hope everything will turn out good eventually.
    your wife might just need sometime to think and help just give her that time.
    therapy for her might help but yea it all wil take time.

    i havent been in these kind of situations because iam only 19
    but yea i did read many of these kind of problems and most of them they all just needed some time to accept it.
    but i do see her side that she feel betrayed she trusted you for 12 years of marrige and yet you just now she needs to come with it.
    but yea i know its very hard i still didnt find a way to tell my parent but thats my problem not your.

    i hope everything will be ok

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    Quote Originally Posted by JulieC View Post
    SHINY-J I don't agree with some of what you posted, and I do agree with some of what you posted.
    I'd like to say the same thing.

    Welcome to the forum, Shiny. What I'm about to say may seem harsh, but as an outsider, it is objective. I do want to tell you that I have been fully supportive of my SO in and out of the bedroom since the beginning and we go out everywhere together when she's herself. But, she was honest with me from the very start, so I went into the relationship with my eyes wide open.

    From your story, I gather that your ex was OK with the concept of alternative lifestyles and also CDing as long as it wasn't in her backyard, but she didn't take it well when you told her about yourself some years into the marriage. I want to point out this is natural for most people, no matter the issue. It's easier to adopt a laissez-faire attitude when issues don't impact us directly. It's also difficult to deal with broken trust when the truth comes out after some years.

    You chose to use the time immediately after she found out, when she was coming to terms with being married to a CDer, to sneak behind her back and wear her clothes. She eventually came around and tried to be supportive, yet you insisted on resorting to subterfuge and sneaking panties into your shopping cart for example. I'm not putting you down for wanting the panties, but this is a passive way of dealing with it and it would have been best for the two of you to deal with it differently. Your actions eroded her trust further. And last, you say she threatened and blackmailed you during arguments. Did she ever follow through, since you are prepared to deny who you are to anyone she *may* tell and try to make her out to be crazy? And did you ever say things in anger to her as well? Just wondering.

    I don't want to take away from your pain and your frustration. The situation wasn't easy for you either. But, there are always two sides to every story.
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    Shiny,
    Here we have a case of meeting someone, someone to the eye because of acceptance to alternative lifestyles you would think could be more understanding to yours.. Then the hammer goes down to find it is not the case, being single myself that type of person in my search raises a flag to rather I choose to see her or move to the next .. Was I ever mistaken!!

    Just because someone shows a tolerance to an alternative lifestyle does not mean she will choose one a partner. Many GG's here will be upset to hear that for most the only choice is to hide the dressing urges and allow the partner to fall in love with you ..
    I agree it is a terrible way to find a partner ,one I will not do but many others do.. The best way to getting a accepting partner would be slowly intrudcing your desires and being honest from the start.. I am preaching to the choir I know and this isn't meant to beat up on you either . I will not settle for any GG who will not accept me wholely believe me there are some out there who do find an attraction to us but very few and in between are willing to ..

    Why? Because GG's have other concerns ,Family and friends and what they may think, Thier children it may seem they would rather put a alcoholic above you because of perception .Isn't that sad? Whats really sad is most of us are decent hard working level headed ,family oriented, understanding,careing indulviduales who do not wish to be exposed to no other than our partner.
    I do not!! Claim to be an expert on any topic, when I post a new thread or reply on any thread my imput is strickly that of a crossdresser. Not to offend Gay people , Transexuals or any other life style, I am only commenting on one of my own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReineD View Post
    I'd like to say the same thing.

    Welcome to the forum, Shiny. What I'm about to say may seem harsh, but as an outsider, it is objective. I do want to tell you that I have been fully supportive of my SO in and out of the bedroom since the beginning and we go out everywhere together when she's herself. But, she was honest with me from the very start, so I went into the relationship with my eyes wide open.

    From your story, I gather that your ex was OK with the concept of alternative lifestyles and also CDing as long as it wasn't in her backyard, but she didn't take it well when you told her about yourself some years into the marriage. I want to point out this is natural for most people, no matter the issue. It's easier to adopt a laissez-faire attitude when issues don't impact us directly. It's also difficult to deal with broken trust when the truth comes out after some years.

    You chose to use the time immediately after she found out, when she was coming to terms with being married to a CDer, to sneak behind her back and wear her clothes. She eventually came around and tried to be supportive, yet you insisted on resorting to subterfuge and sneaking panties into your shopping cart for example. I'm not putting you down for wanting the panties, but this is a passive way of dealing with it and it would have been best for the two of you to deal with it differently. Your actions eroded her trust further. And last, you say she threatened and blackmailed you during arguments. Did she ever follow through, since you are prepared to deny who you are to anyone she *may* tell and try to make her out to be crazy? And did you ever say things in anger to her as well? Just wondering.

    I don't want to take away from your pain and your frustration. The situation wasn't easy for you either. But, there are always two sides to every story.
    Well, in my defense, I had CDed prior to meeting her and we had been together for two years and I hadn't dressed at all during that time. It wasn't until 1. I told her, 2. she flipped out, and 3. the relationship suffered for several months (without any sex might I add) that I started dressing again to fill that "void" inside of me. Not immediately... Bear in mind also, that I told her specifically that I USED to, but that I didn't anymore. I made it very clear that it wasn't something that I was doing behind her back. And she wasn't married to a CDer... maybe a former CDer, but I wasn't at the time and hadn't been for over two years.

    Also, and I should have included this in my initial post..., when we were having this in depth talk the night I told her, she revealed quite a bit to me. Many things that I could've claimed the same level of dishonesty from her and responded with the same level of disgust. But I was hoping to expel the skeletons in our closets and cathartically work our way through our "demons" by being honest and communicating. And as for eroding her trust, she never had any idea that I was dressing again until I finally sat her down after almost a year of avoiding the subject and had a long talk with her. It was only after I basically kissed her ass for a solid 3-4 hours non-stop, that she finally gave an inch.

    As far as blackmailing me during arguments, she did try to tell some friends once, but that blew over as I dismissed it. As far as if I said anything in anger to her... Anyone who's married or been married knows that things are going to be said in anger at some point.

    Bottom line - I feel for the OP as my situation was similar.

    This part from his original post especially hit home for me....

    "I was devoted as husband and father. Dressing never got in the way of other more important things. It’s funny how a decade and a half of fulfilling my responsibilities at work, home, in the community mean absolutely ZERO in light of my desire to wear women’s clothes from time to time."

    It was never a problem until she found out. She never had any complaints about the type of person that he was until she found out that he liked to wear femme clothes on occasion. Same thing with me. My ex saw me swim through a school of Mako sharks... she saw me jump in front of a pit bull to save her tiny dog... she saw me jump from airplanes... etc. I was all man in her eyes until I told her that I USED to CD. Then, I slowly became the point of blame for anything wrong with our relationship.

    It reminds me of this shallow girl I went out with a few months ago. We ordered wine and the server asked if we would like to see the wine list. I worked in the service industry and I know that many servers know best as far as what wines/dishes they have to offer and I told her to choose her favorite and bring us that. So she brings it over two glasses of red and we drink away. Well, my date was into her third glass and I was into my 4th (as she was deep as a birdbath and nothing more than a great body) when the server came back by with the bottle to top off our glasses as she only had a little left and it wasn't enough for a full glass. I asked what it was and she told me (I can't remember the name now) and then the server stated that it was actually a local winery that they had just brought in and it happened to be the cheapest on the menu too, but it was the favorite of herself and the staff. My date, bitch that she was, immediately got a disgusted look on her face, and pushed the glass aside. Point being, she was fine with everything until she found out it wasn't brand name/very expensive. To me, it's the same situation. Here I was handling all of my responsibilities at work and at home and being the manliest SOB she'd ever seen, and the lone statement that I USED to CD was enough to have her change her entire perspective of me. Don't believe me? Ask Rick Astley... Everyone loved his song until they found out he was a lanky white dude with red hair. Well, she loved me until she found out I had worn panties.

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    hmm... from reading that last post, I'm suspecting that your ex was the one type of woman that would never accept CDing. I may be wrong, but I believe a high maintenance woman, the type who gets hair extensions and breast implants, who spends a lot of time shopping for clothes and getting manicures, whose goal in life is to look like a Victoria's Secret model, is going to be the type of woman with the hardest time accepting crossdressing in a man, even if she is very liberal in her other opinions. For a woman like that, being femme is a competition against other women and she is winning. Saying that you CD is turning yourself from the prize into the competition.

    It's ironic, since I assume the more femme the woman, the more a typical crossdresser would be attracted to her, but I might be wrong about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SHINY-J View Post
    Here I was handling all of my responsibilities at work and at home and being the manliest SOB she'd ever seen, and the lone statement that I USED to CD was enough to have her change her entire perspective of me. Don't believe me? Ask Rick Astley... Everyone loved his song until they found out he was a lanky white dude with red hair. Well, she loved me until she found out I had worn panties.
    I hear you.

    Anxiety about the CDing runs deep in our society, especially when it hits close to home. Have a look at this thread:

    http://www.crossdressers.com/forums/...imple-Question...

    You and other CDers have lived with the feelings inside yourselves for years, some of you for most of your lives, and you know first hand that you are OK, even though for some of you it was a struggle to gain self-acceptance and further, for some of you it took years. Other people need to overcome the same barriers in order to understand or even accept and even more so, since they have no first-hand knowledge of what it's like to be trans. And all these barriers are difficult to overcome because most things trans are still so deep in societal closets.

    And if there are other issues in the marriage, if the couples don't have well-developed relationship skills, sadly the barriers are even more difficult to overcome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReineD View Post
    I hear you.


    And if there are other issues in the marriage, if the couples don't have well-developed relationship skills, sadly the barriers are even more difficult to overcome.

    I think that's what the most frustrating thing was. Our relationship was fantastic and we were BOTH very much in love. I was very accepting of not only the things I knew already knew about her past, but also the things she revealed to me that she had not brought up because she was ashamed or embarrassed. She specifically said she wanted to have that in depth conversation to open up and really get even closer in touch with each other than we already were. I didn't really have anything to tell her about other than the CDing that I HAD done (not at the time and not for 2 years). And, I repeat, I did not start CDing again until after the discussion and our sex life was essentially at a stand-still for months. Couple that with the fact that she accepted so many of her friends with their lifestyle choices and supported their choices AND that the things she told me were not exactly minor omissions... She told me that she had once gotten pregnant about 2 years before we met and had an abortion. She told me that her ex had cheated on her and she had gotten Gonorrhea. She told me that her and her ex had a threesome at one time. These aren't things that I held or would ever hold against her, but maybe they should have been mentioned somewhere within the first 2 years of marriage?

    Plus, it's not like I was pining away to CD. Truthfully, I only Cd'd before I met her to enhance masturbation. It was an aide to help counter the fact that I did not have a woman to be with. It went something like this ; 1. Dress 2. Masturbate 3. Undress. As far as questioning my gender, that was never a problem. I may be in the minority here, but It's strictly a sexual fetish with me.

    Did I still have thoughts of it when I was with her? Sure. Every time she wore something satin, vinyl, leather, heels, etc. It added to my excitement. Still, I don't think that my Cding years prior really warranted her reaction. The only thing that had remained for me since that time my my particular fetish for her to wear those types of clothes.

    Still, I wonder what her reaction would have been if I had other things to tell her about my past. It's pointless now as the marriage is over. It's still the same situation for me now though. I still don't have a gender confusion issue. I still don't question my sexuality. I still use the femme clothes to enhance my "private" time and that's about it.

    Even if I found a woman and she liked that sort of thing, I still don't think it's something that I would feel comfortable doing with her day in and day out. I would want to dress occasionally during sex and then be done with it. Just like anything else, I think it's different for everyone. For some it's only sexual and for others, it's anything but sexual and all points in between. For some, it's something they want to do on a rare occasion, and for others, they want to CD 24/7 and all points in between.

    Still, no matter where one fits in the spectrums I mentioned, the majority of society does not approve or would mock them. I guess I would just think that for someone like her to have embraced her friends with all of their life choices/lifestyles and with the things I knew about her past paired with the a few extra "secrets" she had revealed to me that night, that my lone admission of one past transgression should not have caused the implosion of my marriage

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