I was just making a point about 18th C clothing against the argument of using past male fashions as a justification for saying that men should be able to wear the same thing now.
Well, I was just saying that men wore them first. To say that leggings, lace, and ruffles could be considered men's clothing now (I know you didn't say this, but others have) just because they were centuries ago is not a solid argument.
We're always back and forth with styles, so it could be used as a reason to do it. Because the Magna Carta is a 1000 years old, doesn't mean that we should discard it's principles. Or have we?
I agree that we all should have the freedom to dress as we please.
We do have the freedom of dress, just not dresses. Men's clothing can be so, what's the word I want here, DRAB? And if there was a demand for male dresses and skirts, the designers and the fashion industry would be right on it. But, there isn't
There might be but becasue so many of us are in the closet, one would never be able to find out exactly.... unless you consider male sarongs (
for us ,it should be spelled SO WRONGS) and kilts that are already a part of some cultures, historically. There have been attempts at getting manskirts off the ground (from several high fashion designers), but I guess they just haven't been popular. Fashions come into popular culture when there is a demand for them. Not the other way around.
I asked the question once and posted links to several
manskirt pics, if the CDs here would wear them. Most said, "Ugh, no. Not feminine enough". If you go into the Gallery, most pics are definitely not attempts at portraying a man in a dress.
As to women wanting to wear pants: they did so because they disliked unequal social standards,
so, by the same token, men who didn't want to manly, should have been encouraged to wear dresses, n'est pas? not because they wanted to present as men
some may have, Lesbos has been around a long time.. Women wanted to be seen as equals
are we speaking here of post world-war 2? and they wanted the same freedoms that men had
what's that, 2 hour commute, 9 hours at work, another 2 hour commute? just kidding here. This also meant wearing pants, since wearing dresses restrict the freedom of movement
actually, women run much faster in a dress, though there is a modesty issue which is what I think you meant FoM, or in 1900, certainly a weight issue, what will all the petticoats and such, garters, corsets! GRH (=gaffaw right here).
And as to the zipper: it is much easier to take the pants off, if they are not made of stretchy material. Women have a lower hip/waist ratio
are you talking about vertical measurement?, and this is the biggest difference between male & female jeans
my waist is 37, hips 39; women's size ten as shown in size charts w32, hips 39(which I wear and they fit like a glove so I don't understand that.. It's a subtle difference, I know, but when you just look at the derrière, you can tell from the back if a person is a she or a he (if he's not wearing hip pads).
I actually like to look at the face first if possible. It's a dead giveaway, and I don't have to even bend my neck. LOL
Edit - I agree that the more there are positive portrayals of TGs in the media, the more CDing will be understood and hopefully social anxiety about it will diminish. But, I don't think greater understanding will make more males want to wear feminine skirts, if they are not TG to begin with.