Difference between transgendered and a crossdresser

[Julia_in_Pa]

Jody,

Please go back and read what I originally wrote. I never said that all cross dressers are men in pantyhose masterbating.

I did say that I refuse and that it sickens me to be listed under the same umbrellea as those that are men in pantyhose masterbating.

Concerning the bathroom issue; I personally have been blessed enough to pass very very well due to my intersexed status and have never had an altercation from bathroom use.

With that said I have a good friend who is full time TS who needs this law because she does not pass at all yet she digs deep into her soul everyday to live her true and authentic self.

Thank God Pennsylvania gives full time pre/non operative TS/IS people the opportunity to correct their gender marker on their driver's license.

Because of this she legally has a pass to use the correct bathroom .

We as the TS/IS community had to battle negative perceptions in Harrisburg with legislatures that thought we were nothing more than cross dressing men looking for legal acceptance of our fetish.

DO YOU KNOW HOW DIFFICULT IT WAS TO LIVE DOWN THAT PERCEPTION IN THE EYES OF THE STATE GOVERNMENT?!!?!?

Yet the rest of the "transgender " umbrella wants to be included in this when they have absolutely no business being included!!!!

When you go full time you literally put your life on the line each and everyday yet oddly enough their are those that are not full time that demand the same rights as a full time person has.

YOU DON'T NEED PROTECTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What you do need is compassion and understanding concerning the walk of death the full time person has to walk every day to be who and what they are.

For some reason I see those that are not full time here being upset and angry that we somehow feel upset that they wish to be included in these protections.

Do you honestly feel this way?????? Why ???????

Until you put on the dress and never take it off again you need to support those that are full time by not co-opting our community.

Whether you like it or not the full time TS/IS person has little to nothing in common with you until time and actions dictact that you are actually needing to go full time.

Your behavour towards us is not only indicative of child like tantrums it also smacks of male privilege.

Now either support us or better yet let us live in peace.


Julia

Rather off the topic, but yes I think it's pointless to segregate them. A stall is a stall is a stall, and a sicko is going to go in to a bathroom to assault a woman dressed as a man. Keeping a crossdresser out of them won't keep the predators out of them. IMO.

Also note, I'm not a crossdresser. (I don't think.) Somewhere between as I said before.

Now, personal insults aside, (I assure you I don't care in the least for those of you flinging them out there) Is it really surprising that you get a little lash back when everyone gets clumped into the fetish cd category and mocked by some here if they aren't transitioning? I mean really. Use common sense, if you mock people, people are going to reply in kind.

A serious question: Do you all really believe that it's so black and white? Do you really believe, as Julia so eloquently put it, that all those that aren't in transition are just doing it to masturbate into panties? I really have trouble believing that you people would hold those views. I've seen you, Bree make some extremely intelligent comments on threads here, and I truly have trouble believing that you (and your just an example here) would buy into that.

My "high horse" is just an equal and opposite reaction to some of the extremely insulting statements in this thread. I'm not strictly a crossdresser no, but it hits hard and it hurts. Especially when I see those that I respected hopping right on board with it.