Quote Originally Posted by Zooey View Post
Let me try a different line of questioning... Sometimes, your gender identity is "man". Sometimes, it's "woman". Sometimes, maybe it's "both or something else".

Can you explain what being a woman means to you without mentioning fashion, clothes, makeup, or shoes? Basically, without mentioning objects that happen to be perceived as feminine, or discussions/experiences related to those objects?

Critiquing other people's appearances doesn't make you a woman, it makes you a human with a slight judgmental streak (aka most of us). Talking about makeup doesn't make you a woman and neither does liking/wearing it - it makes you somebody who's knowledgeable about or interested in makeup.
ok your right in my second attempt i did revert to talking about things with the caveman vs fasionista analogy....but its not that i feel more manly at any time or female either and presentation-clothes, forms, wig has nothing to do with how i feel i fit in with either situation at any given time, i am always just me....if i was a women id guess i would be a tomboy but i would clean up as a women. im really trying to get you to understand but i cant comprehend it for you....and now that you have me thinking i dont think i could describe what it is to be a man all the things i come up with a female could be also. im really trying to bear my soul to you but im struggling to put it to words.