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    Quote Originally Posted by flatlander_48 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Zooey View Post
    For what it's worth, we expect the same acknowledgement of that difference from TS folks too - it's the full-time vs. part-time vs. full-time-except-for-blah thing.
    So, I would ask why that is necessary? Is there a particular point? From my observation, this information has been used negatively by some.
    Ask any of the women who have gone full-time and agree with it. Many of them didn't quite believe it before going full-time, but like clockwork, going full-time is a fundamentally different experience.

    Trans women who are mid-transition and part time are women, and have a lot of valuable experiences. Still, there is a huge difference in practical terms between full-time and not-full-time. It's the difference between having "hiding places" and having "nowhere to hide", and between "living as a gender" and "going out as a gender". It's also usually when you transition at work, and open up the biggest can of worms you've ever seen.

    Quote Originally Posted by docrobbysherry View Post
    Good point, DeeAnn. It's like some folk's don't care about CDs. Yet, nearly every TS started out as a CD.

    Just because you're "further down the road"than other dressers, why is it necessary to look down on them? You've over come your circumstances and your demons and commit to living as a female full time. For that u should be commended and congratulated. But, no matter how difficult it was for u to make the jump, u still have no idea what other dresser's lives r like. Or, how difficult and different their situation is. There r so many T's that would love to live as TS's but just can't!
    We did not really start as CDs, but more importantly, we are NOT "high level" or "end of the road" CDs. We are not "dressers". We didn't commit to transition, we just committed to being who we really are. The only thing we all overcame was all of the lying to ourselves and others.

    This is the type of language that causes us problems here. While you may not see it this way, it tries to erase our identity as women. More importantly, it sets you up for this false sense of "hierarchy". We're not the end of the road for you. We're on another road, with some more or less superficial similarities.
    Last edited by Zooey; 06-07-2016 at 12:41 AM.
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