I'd like to add some food for thought (gee I think thats my favorite phrase on this site ) if I may.

I think the reason so many find themselves bein given ultimatums or unacceptance from thier SO's has to do with the fact that CD is so outside the realm of "normalcy" (and I use that term losely since normal is such a broad term) It would be different if it was somethin like sports or fishin or poker with the boys. If falls WAY outside the "normal" gender roles. And as much as yall say screw society, society/culture DOES play a lot into peoples upbringing.

I had more to add but my mind just decided to take a vacation on me :rolleyes: so I'll add more if I remember later.

Just some food for thought!!!

and KUDOS raverbabe great thread!!

Nic