Quote Originally Posted by becky77 View Post
This is where the problem lies, this is full of insults and you probably don't even realise it.
First off, let's insult the GGs, so short hair and jeans and trainers means you have no femininity?
Why do so many people think femininity is directly linked to a hemline?

Secondly the FTM, what if they want to be seen as a man, use male toilets and not just be considered an unfeminine woman?
For them it's really hard to be treated like a man and they can't even get respect here.
MtF crossdressers call themselves girls, honey etc etc despite identifying as male and just being in it for the clothes. But you can't extend the same courtesy to FtM TS that do identity as men.
Question 1. I didn't say short hair, jeans, running shoes = no femininity. There are millions and billions of GG's that are absolutely gorgeous with short hair, jeans and runners.
I'm talking about the CDing FTM folks.
I am saying that if a FTM CD woman wants to dress a "bit" on the manly side or butchy side and go out in public then so what? Nobody bats an eye. Why come to this site when there is no problem? However take a guy give him some longer hair, a pair of womens Lulu Lemmon pants and casual womens yoga top and jacket but without all the makeup etc and you'll see all the different looks, stares, whispering comments.
Heck I saw another thread on here today that said something about men getting caught wearing panties in the ER room or along those lines..... Yeah if a guy is seen wearing a pair of panties in a situation like that everyone attending might go hmmm? And have a snicker or 2. Take a FTM CDer that's underdressing in male underwear in the same situation and nobody attending would look twice.

Question 2. I don't think femininity is linked to the hemline.

Lastly, I did comment about if the FTM is TS or more on the Trans side of things. I said the playing field is for sure level at that point when your talking about trying to get facial hair, hormones, facial surgery etc. So I am saying its just as hard at that point. Maybe even harder for FTM if they are going all the way with genital reassignment surgery etc.

Quote Originally Posted by becky77 View Post
Most likely only FtM TS would visit here and they should be treated as men, no question.
FtM crossdressers are usually called tomboys and have no real need to come here.
Before anyone says how easy it is for them, it wasn't.
Women have and still are treated secondary, like sexual objects or a possession.
They chained themselves to railings and fought hard for their rights, how do you think the first women that dared to wear men's trousers were treated?

Women have done their bit to freely crossdress should they wish.
Question is, instead of bitching how easy they have it, what are you doing to stand up for MtF crossdressers rights?
So many people safely in their closets moaning about what women can wear, what's stopping you? Cause it's the same thing that stopped them and they still did it.

Also on a side note their is probably much less actual FtM crossdressers that get a kick out of the clothes, simply because how strong testosterone can be in the sexualised aspect so very common in MtF crossdressers. Before there is a tirade of "It's not sexual", just look how many are into the sexualized image of a woman, high heels, stockings, red nails, short skirts, tight clothes etc etc.
This is not wanting to dress like a woman, this is like dressing as the sexy female image that turns you on.
(This is not aimed at everyone of course, I know many of you dress accordingly).
Well I will say you are absolutely right that women have fought dam hard for their rights and should be commended for it for sure. I don't want to take anything away from them by anything I have said at all because the playing field is still not level for women and we have more progress world wide to make. However if a nation with a big majority of men stands up and says we want to wear dresses then it wouldn't be an issue for very long would it? Most men don't see this as a problem in their lives and cringe about the thought of wearing a dress etc. There's not many of us out there.

I really like your question about what are we doing to make progress with our rights instead of bitching!!!! Love it!!!
I can only speak for myself and say I support my Pride center and anything LGBT related anyway I can. I try and give money when I can and will sign any gov't legislation for the better but I am also not the poster boy to go on the front page of a LGBT or Trans magazine. I'm not there but wished I could be.
I'm out in public as much as I can be, unfortunately not enough for my liking because I hate the closet.