Male Entitlement to Women's Spaces

[Jenniferathome]

First, if that little sign is based on presentation, then should butch women and women in pants be going in there? The original intent of the pictogram was "women". I obviously believe that, through further science and learnings, we have expanded the definitions of both "men" and "women", but they are still the defining gate for those spaces.

Come on Zooey, the original intent was GENETIC women. You conveniently dodged that. By the way, "butch" women and women in pants look like women to me, so yes, they should go in there. The pictogram is a generic, not an absolute. That's quite obvious. Women today use the facility in shorts, skirts, pants, .... Now, if through, "further science and learnings, we have expanded the definitions of both "men" and "women" then expansion can include vanilla cross dressers. You are on a slippery slope.

...I disagree that outward presentation is the next best thing, because we actually do have a way of legally recognizing gender identity, given certain reasonable criteria are met.....

I know you have advocated this "license to pee" idea, but that is clearly NOT the next best alternative. It's AN alternative and one that will never work. Who has the right to challenge at the door? How do I know your ID is real? It's absurd to think you can create a "pass" to pee.