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    Woman first, Trans second
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    Quote Originally Posted by windshear View Post
    I don't want to be mean or vindictive, but I feel a need to respond to a couple of these as I think I can articulate the problem a little better.
    Sigh.

    Quote Originally Posted by windshear View Post
    If someone else, in the same belittling manner, claimed that you were "just mentally ill" and your perceived "needs" were just "wants", it would be decried as bigotry. You are, I think unknowingly, employing the same bigotry and applying it to different people, do you not understand?
    First of all, plenty of people do precisely that. Many people here have done and do precisely that, including the person to whom I was originally responding to in this thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by windshear View Post
    You are making assumptions about people you do not fully understand. Again, I'm not trying to be mean, I'm not speaking ill of you, I'm merely trying to point out what I perceive to be an error.
    I generally take people at their word. When the majority of people here routinely assert that they are natal males who are straight straight straight men and that they just like to wear women's clothes because it's enjoyable and feels good to them, then I do not think that I am making an unreasonable assumption by saying that the majority of them are cisgender men who like to play dress up. You can argue with my tone, but I don't see the assumption that I'm making.

    Quote Originally Posted by windshear View Post
    When you feel like you can make such broad claims about others you inevitably open yourself up to the same. You cannot have it both ways. By your own stated standards, there simply is no objective benchmark to say that you "needed" to transition any more than anyone else on here that has not, or will not, for any variety of reasons.
    Please point me towards a broad claim that I've made that is not solidly based on what the people I'm describing in them have actually posted here, and I will consider your point.

    Moreover, there is absolutely a benchmark for needing to transition. It's when not transitioning leads to unmanageable disruption, often an inexorable downward spiral, in the most fundamental aspects of your life, and the only way out of it is transition and living honestly. Alternatively, it's what a qualified diagnosis of a specified gender identity disorder (transexualism) used to mean, and really probably should still mean.
    Last edited by Zooey; 01-03-2017 at 10:18 PM.
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