Don't want to be a man anymore, do you ?

[windshear]

First and foremost thank you for the response, Zooey.

First of all, plenty of people do precisely that.

And that becomes your license to do the same?

I generally take people at their word.

I don't doubt that, but I think you've misinterpreted them.

When the majority of people here routinely assert that they are natal males who are straight straight straight men and that they just like to wear women's clothes because it's enjoyable and feels good to them ...

So here's the point of contention: based on what I've read here (not to mention my own experiences) this absolutely is not a "just like" kind of thing. There are countless, innumerable threads out there that show that CDing is far beyond mere interest, hobby, "like", or even compulsive behavior. It is something much more and far beyond any of that. You calling it something we "just like" to do is like telling someone with a missing right arm that its just a "minor inconvenience".

Please point me towards a broad claim that I've made that is not solidly based on what the people I'm describing in them have actually posted here, and I will consider your point.

There's another thread open on page one right here- titled Is it a gift or a curse? Curious wording for something we "just like" to do, I'd think. Another one titled Do you "NEED" to dress or just "WANT" to dress? shows pretty clearly the same thing. But then you say, "Ah hah! Its a WANT, now isn't it?", yet countless threads employ a phrase: "Crossdressing is like the Mafia, You just can't quit". How many of the people who respond "want" could actually quit forever?

Probably the strongest evidence I've seen yet debunking your notion is the terminology "pink fog", something I'm really struggling with right now (and what prompted me to join this forum).

Moreover, there is absolutely a benchmark for needing to transition. It's when not transitioning leads to unmanageable disruption, often an inexorable downward spiral, in the most fundamental aspects of your life, and the only way out of it is transition and living honestly. Alternatively

That isn't an objective benchmark, Zooey. You're saying: "A because B". Your feelings "lead[ing] to unmanageable disruption, often an inexorable downward spiral, in the most fundamental aspects of your life", does not mean objectively that the prescription is transition. Use the following logic:

I want to be a woman badly enough that it is causing disruption in my life. Therefore, the only possible solution is to be given a woman's body (or a facsimile of one).

Parallels logically with:

I want the cash in the register behind the counter badly enough that it is causing disruption in my life. Therefore, the only possible solution is to be given the cash in the register.

Your feelings and the subsequent disruptions do not mandate transition as the only, possible, logical, solution. It sure is what you'd like to do, but it isn't objectively what you need. Now, I understand that this a quite confrontational and not-so-nice comparison. I want you to look more at the logical fallacy here than the content. I mainly want to prove the point that you opened yourself up to this exact line of scrutiny (want vs need) by asserting that people like myself "want", but don't "need" to CD. That's you declaring that something else could fill that void- something I think you need to rethink.

Others have been less eloquent in their passion on this issue. I don't think they simply want to go after you, I just think they want what they, and myself perceive clearly as their (or other's) needs acknowledged. Just like you perceive the need for transition.