Bathroom bills and other laws , discussion thread

[PretzelGirl]

People of Color refers to anyone who is not white. That probably wasn't your intention.

It was exactly my intention. I spend a lot of my free time advocating in the community. I recognize the multipliers to the discrimination that occurs by someone being a transgender woman, and then add on being a person of color (in no particular order). I realize rights have come at different paces depending on race/culture and many are still missing. We don't need to be in depth in a bathroom thread as we should understand the general point as it impacts this discussion.

That’s not going to happen. Even if the GOP tries to pass such measures, they will be struck down in Court.

Our states are proving anything can happen. It might get struck down in court later, but we have to live with it in the interim. All it would have taken is one vote in NC and the Governor was ready to sign it.

That said, there is no shame in transitioners carrying ID that reflects their transitioned gender, in fact most of the TSs I have seen have been darn proud when obtaining new ID, and the states that currently require SRS before effecting the changes simply need to modernize their laws and follow CA’s lead.

It is one thing to get a birth certificate updated (not edited) to say female and another to get an extra identification that says I am transgender, have had surgery, and therefore are permitted to use the restroom that I am presenting. It is horribly demeaning and sets us apart unnecessarily. And if anyone doesn't think that they won't have a database of those they issued a certificate/ID too, then I don't know what to say because that is how our government works.

A great sign of how this is considered from the human rights perspective is that as soon as word got out NC was considering this, HRC and NCTE flew right out to lobby against it.

http://www.hrc.org/blog/breaking-nc-....0-legislation

https://www.facebook.com/TransEquali...90?pnref=story

It wasn’t a problem for some people, but it has always been a problem for others. Look up the statistics on gay and TG hate crimes (all over the country), plus how many are denied employment, housing, and healthcare. This is why we need protective laws. And hate crimes have happened in bathrooms too.

I agree that there isn't such a thing as no problem. But the incidences of hate crimes and discrimination have skyrocketed since this lens came out.

So your solution then, is that everyone who dons a female presentation (and a non-binary presentation too?) should use the women’s bathrooms, even if they don’t identify female? Good luck with that and honestly, this is not what the LGBT legal advocates are fighting for. Did you read the Lambda Legal bathroom FAQ? They are fighting for transwomen to be recognized as, and given the same rights as natal women. If you think that Lambda Legal and other LGBT advocates should expand who they think should use the bathrooms, then you need to contact them and let us know how that goes.

Being smarmy isn't usually what I expect from you Reine. I didn't say they shouldn't use what they identify. I did say that there aren't gender neutral restrooms restrooms. So what do you allow for those that have mixed identity? You have to let them use what they are comfortable with. Anything less and they can be attacked.

Ultimately, the only real solution has beed discussed with Zooey and I and that is removing gender from restrooms. Every other solution leaves people open to discrimination and violence. You send a crossdresser in a men's room (and they are men, so by identity they go in the men's room), and they are at high risk. Yet as long as a woman's restroom is a gendered space, they are invading that space (and I am guilty of that in my past because of safety). So just saying identity drives the solution falls short and doesn't cover everyone. Non-binary identities complicate it further.