Bathroom bills and other laws , discussion thread

[Lorileah]

I am with you on this. Change doesn't happen quickly. When people of color received legal rights, everyone didn't jump up and shake their hands and pat them on the back.

Like 35 years legally. Loving v VA 1967...Alabama legalizing it 2000... and yet the Feds didn't press very hard)

Women entering the workplace didn't get widespread acceptance.

with still a wage gap

This has been true for those who are gay and lesbian (bi is way behind and roughly as stigmatized as transgender individuals).

I don't see this. I know no one who was fired, withheld credit, refused to be served, denied health care or in any way discriminated against because they are bi. I am not even sure it is an issue and honestly other than keeping the L and G from bumping into the T and Q I don't even know why they are in our acronym. I say this and I AM bi. Not once was I ever told I was strange for that. Not "gay enough" maybe.

Finally, it is about getting to actually know someone as once you know someone, it is harder to hate them.

you haven't met the people in my hometown

That’s not going to happen. Even if the GOP tries to pass such measures, they will be struck down in Court.

See Loving vs VA above. That can and will take years. In the meantime...you have record and it will never ever go away if someone challenges us and we need documentation. Luckily most people really don't care.

That said, there is no shame in transitioners carrying ID that reflects their transitioned gender, in fact most of the TSs I have seen have been darn proud when obtaining new ID, and the states that currently require SRS before effecting the changes simply need to modernize their laws and follow CA’s lead.

ID like driver's license? Um...NC wants a birth cert (which brings up another matter so hold on) MOST states won't change it until after surgery, some will AMEND it after surgery and several won't change it at all (even if if was mistyped). Now in RE: Birth Certs...I know a couple people who don't HAVE one because they were born at home and the only record is baptismal. So what about them?

It wasn’t a problem for some people, but it has always been a problem for others. Look up the statistics on gay and TG hate crimes (all over the country), plus how many are denied employment, housing, and healthcare. This is why we need protective laws. And hate crimes have happened in bathrooms too.

To quote the Dixie Chicks
"Well, she finally got the nerve to file for divorce
She let the law take it from there
But Earl walked right through that restraining order
And put her in intensive care" Laws and paper don't stop hate, it just makes the penalty higher and most people don't care at that point A woman was killed here in Denver last week who had a protective order...didn't work well.



OH BTW hate crime laws often specifically EXCLUDE trans. (NE is one of those)